non working mothers

That was a very interesting post HoneyDragon

OP, what about adults who do not wish to engage in paid employment for reasons other than being parents? There are people who would rather write, paint, or dabble in woo all day than get a job. There are people who aspire to self-sufficient, nomadic lifestyles. There are indeed lazyarses who want to lie around watching Jeremy Kyle and drinking Special Brew all day. If you wanted to explore the situations and motivations of adults who refuse to enter the job market because they want to do something else, you might have an interesting article or indeed just an interesting discussion. But focussing entirely on the SAHM/WOHM 'divide' is a bit tedious.

No Kerala men are to "be challenged in the work place".

What about stay at home dads? There are lots around here. Are they betraying their sex too? Or is it just women that you have decided shouldn't take the role of caring for young children because you don't approve? .

You're sounding more odd than interested, tbh, OP.

Deeply weird OP makes absolutely no sense. How can you betray your sex? So each woman by virtue of having a vagina represents all women as a whole? .

it's not a defence. nor do you sound interested but quite judgemental tbh.

SM's point about goddessing is good, some people overly embrace aspects of their live and make them more than they are.

Until I recently agreed to take a step back to give dh the freedom to travel more and go forward with his career (hugely benefiting our family as a whole in the long term) I had a job / profession I very much enjoyed. For me it was always just a job, for another of my colleagues at the same level it was very much a career that she was hugely proud of. Her personality was hugely defined by her job.

I imagine you know the type of people in the workplace I mean? Neither of us were better or the worse at our role for it except I was paid more because I was frankly awesome

Some Mothers are like that too. Some happen to be a Mum as part of who they are. For some people who they are is a mum.

That's why I think your op is a daft question.

If I am asked what do I do I say SAHP. I've actually used the opportunity to slowly build up a business at home. As well as effectively being the wrap around childcare that allows dh more freedom in his work. But I don't tell people about it as it'll happen over a time frame that works for us.

I have no more or less value than anyone else on this board. I don't feel cowed by the WOHM supporters nor do I feel intimidated by the SAHP supporters. My children are happy, cared for and have respect for both of us. Just like most others dc's feel for their parents.

Does that help your interest?

I think you are also mistaking exasperated for aggressive.

The trouble is that the questions you ask just exhibit such a breathtaking lack of imagination.

Am I scared of working outside of the home as well as dealing with my role within it? No. It is that life is complicated and our choices are made because of our unique circumstances.
Why is that hard to comprehend without reaching for stupid sweeping generalisations?

Why do you assume that nursery/nanny/cm would be better than a parent lorcana?

I'm not hiding

Boo!

Am I betraying my sex? Probably.

But I have a great life so I don't care. Bollocks to my sex.

Didn't you know Labradorlover?

There was me thinking I engaged in paid employment to earn some cash, when all the time I was actually challenging men on their hallowed turf

Justine, Carrie, cooeeeee you failures. Instead of hiding in the home make this crappy unsuccessful forum that Lorcanas posting on, you could have been working for her and been properly driven.

It's not men who need challenging, it's peoples perceptions.

Gosh - what a very silly thread.

Lol Are you still. Supposing a journalist is lurking

Gotcha SM, sorry re read and realised you were responding to an earlier post.

I don't base my RL friendships on whether someone agrees with me that would be dull, and odd. And the idea of thinking you are friends with a random view on the internet because you've agreed on the odd point is laughable, but does seem to happen.

Same as if you disagree with a point a poster has made and then others get cross if you agree with a different point they make later. It's a debate not a vendetta spawning ground.

I suspect that if you question your own and others value a lot, you may not have any. I've been a SAHP and a WOHP, the debate will always rage on, and choices will always be individual as all situations are unique.

Exactly Basil. The vast majority of mothers work. Often it is unpaid for at least some part if not all. The unpaid labour of carers should be included in economic output IMO, because without it society could not function.

It is extremely idiotic simplistic to assume pay = worth. Of course it doesn't. Have a look at Maslow, Herzberg and their ilk about what people need. You could even look at psychological contract theory.

There. I would be delighted to be quoted on that

You're labouring some wimmin are goddesses they gave birth notion
It's a physiological act, not a heightened state of being
Childbirth doesnt automatically confer wisdom or mean hard work

What about business people of the male persuasion who take early retirement - are they betraying all men?

Would be interested to hear your views on this