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Why have large breasts become "must haves"?

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Hullygully · 20/01/2012 14:59

I know someone on here will know the sociological history.

Even in my generation we didn't want them, indeed tried to hide them. Now they are de rigeur (inc implants). What has wrought the change?

This comes from a thread about implants and the whys.

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SardineQueen · 20/01/2012 20:52

It was like it was looking at me

SardineQueen · 20/01/2012 20:51

@ pam

I saw one once. My oh my. Never again.

PamBeesly · 20/01/2012 20:50

I mean of course does penis envy really exist??? Grin

PamBeesly · 20/01/2012 20:49

does penis really exist?

lollygag · 20/01/2012 20:43

This thread is getting more 'burlesque' as the night wears on.

TheRealTillyMinto · 20/01/2012 20:12

isnt there something relating to the economy - in good times you (well if you are woman) have to be skinny and in bad times be glamorous to cheer the men up with your tatties?

society allows men to be attractive in many different ways. women have to fit the current template. it is always young, always v difficult to achieve (skinny, then slim with big boobs).

basically you have to have big boobs until thats it becomes common place. then you have to have smaller ones. but still no room for life...in a society acceptable woman's body. which is really very odd.

i like my tits, i hope you all like yours!

Hullygully · 20/01/2012 19:47

I say

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lollygag · 20/01/2012 19:46

Of course in Mali the men go around naked so the women don't scream if the get surprised by one late at night in the underpass.

Hullygully · 20/01/2012 19:45

Ooo interesting, SQ. Good.

Desmond is a bit of a tosspot really. Who was the female anthropologist who wrote The Female Ape (?) That was much better.

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SardineQueen · 20/01/2012 19:42

I posted that african thing from wiki as it amused me Grin

People assert that it is natural to sexualise and fetishise breasts as much as happens in our society in the here and now. It's just not true.

SardineQueen · 20/01/2012 19:41

People say that women's bodies are intrinsically more appealing to look at than men's.

What a load of old twaddle. How can people say these things with sincerity? So all people, male female gay straight whatever, like to look at naked women, and don't like to look at naked men. Righto. Hmm

SardineQueen · 20/01/2012 19:40

"British zoologist and ethologist Desmond Morris theorizes that cleavage is a sexual signal that imitates the image of the cleft between the buttocks,[24] which according to Morris in The Naked Ape is also unique to humans, other primates as a rule having much flatter buttocks."

wiki

"I interviewed a young anthropologist working with women in Mali, in a country in Africa where women go around with bare breasts. They're always feeding their babies. And when she told them that in our culture men are fascinated with breasts there was an instant of shock. The women burst out laughing. They laughed so hard, they fell on the floor. They said, "You mean, men act like babies?"
Carolyn Latteier, Breasts, the women's perspective on an American obsession"

Hullygully · 20/01/2012 19:39

yep. hate it hate it.

There was a thread about women's bodies in art the other day. Think about how shocking it would be if there as many pictures of penes around as there are of breasts.

Why?

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SardineQueen · 20/01/2012 19:37

Is there a part of the male body which is presented so regularly in such a fetishistic manner in public?

I have really grown to dislike the way bits of women's bodies are displayed in adverts, it always strikes me on the tube for some reason Confused

Hullygully · 20/01/2012 19:36

goodness.

that does bring a whole new dimension..

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SardineQueen · 20/01/2012 19:36

If breasts weren't fetishised and women could choose freely what sort of breasts to have then I imagine most would choose small / smallish ones. Larger breasts can be uncomfortable, cumbersome, make it difficult to exercise, cause back pain etc etc.

SardineQueen · 20/01/2012 19:32

Desmond whotsit thinks men like to look at women's breasts because a cleavage looks like an arse.

Or something.

There's an arse in there somewhere Grin

Hullygully · 20/01/2012 19:26

prominence

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Hullygully · 20/01/2012 19:25

I have been thinking rather obsessively about breasts over the last few days and I think that the reason they have assumed such prominance (boom boom) is because they literally give life and really are the primal and first source of all warmth, nourishment and comfort (hardly a new thought). They call to something very deep in people.

And only women have them so there is breast-envy (much more likely than penis envy) and covetousness and worship and attraction to fertility and and.

I'm still not entirely sure how we got to the place of giant breasts = good. Maybe it is the general pornification thing.

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SardineQueen · 20/01/2012 19:18

But I mean, they're just breasts, aren't they. Wibbly bits that women have on the front, that men don't have, and you can feed babies milk with them. Of course men like to look at them but really they're just another normal part of a female body. The fetishisation of breasts is the original problem, and the rest comes from that.

CrunchyFrog · 20/01/2012 19:11

It's about presentation too. I have friends who are known for their cleavage, which makes me sad. And worry for their sanity, because while of course one must be able to wear what one likes, the reality of being Out is that a super low cut top with massive cleavage in a shove them up/ thrust them out style is seen as an open invitation to drool/ manhandle/ comment. Certainly nobody talks to you as a human person when your tits are on display like that. Men or women.

I don't hide mine or anything, but I refuse to wear an uncomfortable bra, and don't wear low cut tops because I prefer people to look me in the eye.

LadyWord · 20/01/2012 18:15

I LOVE my small norks. I've experienced big (well EE) when pg and breastfeeding and I was so happy to get them back to a B. I'm tall and pear-shaped too so they do look very small on me. But when they were bigger they felt constantly in the way and annoying. Smaller ones make it much easier to wear anything you like too.

I did have one boyfriend who wanted them to be bigger. Everyone else has been very happy with them apparently!

I think it's much more a thing women want (like being skinny) than something that all men are gagging for.

PamBeesly · 20/01/2012 18:08

I think the reason big breasts are must haves is because men like them. Thats so very sad but thats what I think.

Hullygully · 20/01/2012 17:51

lolly Grin

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lollygag · 20/01/2012 17:49

Katiemiddleton:That's a bit harsh! Just because you are very pretty and married to a prince you think you can say what you want.

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