HARROGATE

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Thank you Kritiq.

What if I am a councillor or MP? Geez, you know they do let ladeeez do them things now.

You really are sinking to the pits if you are accusing Mrs Clown of being racist. That could be in violation of site rules.

If anyone's astride a high horse, it's certainly you, and the cut and paste MRA lines are getting rather tedious. But you carry on, you seem to enjoy the sound of your own bandwidth.

Thank you for all your support. It is men and women like you (ignore this bit tony) that make it all worthwhile. I am sure you are aware from some of my comments my husband is well able to think for himself. Infact, he proudly wears his 'This is what a feminist looks like' t shirt.

you aren't talking about freedom of choice, tony. you are talking about women who have no other option.

i'm not particularly interested in your back story tbh, you drip feed it where it suits - and i do think it would be crass to use any hardships you have endured to excuse your principles. in exactly the same way you are not interested in the back story of any of us. your particular back story complicates the issue somewhat because of a whole host of other stereotypes that have feck all to with gender but lots to do with equality. can't you put all this energy into campaigning against the cuts, instead of your god given right to pay to control a woman?

for all you know i might have spent twenty years working in clubs before i got married (you might even have been to one of my weddings). or i might be a bloke. i might even have worked with you in the past. (i worked with lots of men who visited strip clubs, shows, and some prostitutes. absolutely an accepted part of the lifestyle by the men. i knew their wives and children. all nice enough blokes. if utterly dishonest. i found it really interesting to have such a privileged view on what men find acceptable in comparison to women. i've also worked with a couple of ex-'dancers', one who genuinely did do it to pay her way through cambridge lol. on the surface she's fine, but periodically the mask slips.)

but your sheer sense of 'daddy knows what's best for the little women' is enough to make everyone want to ban strip clubs, not just the 'designer feminists' wtf. it's ironic that you somehow think your crusade is having the opposite effect, but do carry on with it.

And that is it in a nutshell Beachcomber. Nowt to do with morality. Everything to do with harm reduction. Simples.

Sigh.

Tony, it isn't about personal moral outrage.

It is about gender equality politics.

HTH.

Wow all of you who know so much yes it is all my fault.

Ok now that I have finished laughing (just sniggering now). And I am doing plenty of research.

Right these women chose to work, they like most women in the UK have freedom of choice. Once they decided what form of employment they wanted they went about their business till a small hanful of women deiced they know better (and that really is the key to the designer feminist). Go to a venue and talk to the dancers and ask them if they want your help. You want to make people unemployed because it makes you feel better? Because of your morals?

Doesn't matter now anyone who is borderline on the issue will be seeing both sides of the story and perhaps thinking, wait a minute why don't I talk to both sides before I start making decisions. The hard liners were never going to change their minds, it is the lurkers that I want to get thinking, that I want to stop from just jumping on the bandwagon.

And yes this threads have made good tools to see how the hard liners are going to play it.

Finally Mad my woe story? Not even close, I could tell people things about me that make losing a job or house seem simple blessings. But this is where I disappear for a bit. Of course I will keep my eye on the boards occassionally, mainly for the laugh.

So Tony, if the women who are doing it have no other employment or benefits options, then you're basically saying they're doing it because they're forced to, but you're still quite happy to take advantage of that. Nice.

metaphorically speaking. it's where you are imagining them, i'm sure.

fwiw, i'd rather my children weren't raised to think that it is aceptable for a woman to have to strip to feed her family. i think that shows children that women are there to be the playthings of men, and are only valued whilst they are youngish, prettyish, and willing to get their kit off. what on earth mssage is that sending to my son and daughters?

if that means they see me weeping whilst i try to find work, so be it.

oh, and bollocks to your woe is me story. if you spent less time fussing over preserving your right to watch semi clad women gyrate, i'm sure there's some internet work you could be doing. all that research.

i don't have a job. i'm a carer. another one of those things that women end up doing because it's too much of a balls ache for men. i also don't have a job because in this market i'm overqualified, and despite applying for minimum wage jobs, no-one wants me.

So you enjoy watching women who have limited employment choices due to the wider economic situation take their clothes off and dance for you Tony? You think it's OK to watch a women who is in danger of having her home repossessed if she doesn't do what you want? At least now you're more honest than when you were claiming they all loved it.

LMAO mad no one sits in anyones lap.... you have read the regulations?

Back to the point, these people in employment join the unemployed to make you feel better. pointing the finger and assign blame... the it is not me I am doing this for every women and ok your child might not be able to have things but that is your child, your home may be repossessed while your sorting your claims out but that is not my problem because I am doing for every women even those that dont want me to.

Anyway as amusing as it is saying that the welfare system would look after these people (have lost my job and my home years ago I can tell you it doesn't work like you think) seeing you think it is ok to hurt other women to suit your goals has given me more to think about.

right. but the welfare system is there to support those in need. and those 'in need' count as those who have been freed from exploitative work.

forcing women to jiggle their breasts in punter's faces because there is no other career option doesn't make it right, Tony, just because they can then feed the cat. unemployment is a completely different issue to strip clubs.

the impact of closing down strip clubs is that slowly, slowly, it might might be possible for women to be treated as equals, instead of consumer objects to be bought and discarded at will.

and who knows, then maybe the employment figures will refelct some equlity as well, with some blokes doing those cleaning jobs or taking part time work and staying home with the kids, whilst the women get equal opportunity to work outside the home in higher earning careers.

i can't believe you are actually attempting to argue unemployment as a reason to keep women where you want them (in your lap, pretending to be turned on whilst you retain the money power)

meh, actually, i can.

Wow ok Kritiq lets talk about getting off the backside

I have noted that Object and its adherents are more than happy to get men and women into unemployment. These people who have got off their backsides and got jobs but it doesn't matter that they may not be able to pay mortgages or other debts because it make you feel better. So what are these people suppose to do? With the current unemployment rates getting work is not easy as it is. So if your are employed by a club that is closing, the answer from Object is simple, get another job, maybe one in a shop or maybe a fast food outlet or a supermarket because at least you won't be exploited by the patriachy?

So lets see

Did you know that more than one million women are now jobless in Britain, an increase on 91,000 from last year?

Did you know that the North West was the worst hit region in last quarter with 26,000 more women losing their jobs?

Did you know that the number of female jobseekers has leapt to its highest rate in 23 years?

Please also consider that young workers have also been hit hard by unemployment, with over million aged 16-24 now jobless and nearly 250,000 unemployed for more than a year.

BUT none if this matters so long as Object and their little warriors run around moralising and not thinking of the impact of what they are doing.

Mrs Clown, seriously, don't bother with Tony. He appears only to be here to promote his blog, to make presumptions about other posters while whining like crazy that everyone isn't taking his "expertise" on the issue as written and just being generally insulting and patronising.

Some folks just seem to feel threatened when other folks get off their backsides and do something. Also, it's not that they don't understand what's being said. One can explain something hundreds of different ways, but if they don't WANT to understand (because it doesn't suit their agenda,) they'll continue to play stupid. Failing that, they'll insist YOU are stupid.

Ignore and carry on doing what you know is right. Pisses them off even more! :)

You mean you let him have a thought ??? WOW

And the world does not revolve around your morality.

We are pleased to announce we couldn't give a flying wotsits.

meh. still not adding to the blog traffic. soz.

thanks for popping back to see if you could get any more attention, anyway. needy, much?

'Designer feminists' just sounds stupid. Not snappy or clever.