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misandry doesn't exist

517 replies

MitchierInge · 06/01/2012 10:14

not in a sort of homologous (if that's the word?) way to misogyny anyway - society just isn't that evolved yet

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 01/02/2013 22:58

I don't know.

I understood it just by reading this thread and others like it. Smile

Vitalstats · 01/02/2013 22:57

Is it really necessary to read an entire book to understand?

LRDtheFeministDragon · 01/02/2013 22:54

Ah, cross posted.

Seems we are in agreement.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 01/02/2013 22:53

Oh, that's a pity, sorry to hear that.

I don't always understand things either. Maybe it'll sink in by the morning or something? Seriously - it is quite a long thread, it could take a couple of readings and a bit of googling to get there, IMO.

Best of luck. Smile

FastidiaBlueberry · 01/02/2013 22:53

I'm afraid you need to go away and do the reading.

I'd recommend Kat Banyard's Equality Illusion as a start.

Come back when you've read that and then I'll recommend some more.

HTH

Vitalstats · 01/02/2013 22:51

The reason I asked for an example is because I don't understand where you are coming from.

LRD answered that a "boys are stupid throw rocks at them" shirt is not misandrist. But a "girls are stupid throw rocks at them" shirt is misogynist.

???

LRDtheFeministDragon · 01/02/2013 22:49

I couldn't possibly comment, fastidia, I'm sure I've no idea.

FastidiaBlueberry · 01/02/2013 22:47

You can tell he's a bloke can't you?

Comes over here and demands that women give him their time, energy and attention, giving him examples and what not, imagining that he has the god-given right to set the terms of the discourse.

So dull. D'you reckon he's a friend of that one last night?

LRDtheFeministDragon · 01/02/2013 22:23

Yes, I could, but you could just read the thread, which would do it nicely. Smile

Vitalstats · 01/02/2013 22:19

next question- could you provide me with an example of something which is misandry then?

LRDtheFeministDragon · 01/02/2013 22:13

A1) No.

A2) Yes.

A3, because I think I know what you're going to ask - because of what we said earlier in the thread.

Vitalstats · 01/02/2013 22:10

Q1. Is this an example of misandry?

Q2. If it was a girl in place of a boy, would that be an example of misogyny?

FastidiaBlueberry · 01/02/2013 22:03

Is it threatening to rape them Vital?

Do girls often throw rocks at boys and seriously injure them and traumatise them in real life?

D'you see the difference?

No, you don't, do you MRA.

Vitalstats · 01/02/2013 21:58

I wonder if there's a facebook page called "boys are stupid" oh wait there is

www.facebook.com/pages/Boys-are-stupid/287186391999

There you go, go join and have a giggle.

FastidiaBlueberry · 01/02/2013 21:55

Vitalstats have you actually read this thread?

What Scum was, was an exact transcription of all the stuff men have said about women throughout the ages.

And NO-ONE was horrified by it.

She took the things men had said about women and said them about men.

And everyone was horrified.

That was the point of it.

But you're not really interested in that are you?

You're here to pretend that misandry exists and is exactly the same as misogyny.

Don't you get bored with this?

Vitalstats · 01/02/2013 21:55

Anyone remember the T-shirts that had the slogan "boys are stupid throw rocks at them" and a pic of a boy running away from thrown rocks?

www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/da/david-and-goliath-boys-are-stupid-t-shirt.jpg

Q1. Is this an example of misandry?

Q2. If it was a girl in place of a boy, would that be an example of misogyny?

Vitalstats · 01/02/2013 21:52

I can't believe anyone could possibly try to defend SCUM. Inciting hatred/violence should be wrong regardless which way round the genders are.

FastidiaBlueberry · 01/02/2013 21:45

Vitalstats, you obviously haven't read the posts in this thread.

Basileatsfouleggs posted the following about SCUM:

"LillyJ, you are absolutely right to say that the language used in SCUM is disgusting.

The reason Solanas used it, was because she was making the point that all that language had been used about women at one point or another in history.

She was taking texts which said stuff like that about women, which had gone unnoticed and unremarked, or been seriously discussed as a proposition (theologians spent centuries discussing whether women could be regarded as fully huuman) and reversing it and applying it to men. Which of course, resulted in the howls of outrage and horror that had been so conspicuously missing when men said this sort of stuff about women.

Because it's OK to say stuff like that about women, but it isn't about men.

Satire is always tricky because you will always get people who don't "get" it Lots of people still think Alf Garnett was meant to be admired and identified with. In the case of the SCUM manifesto, it was kind of inevitable that the men who control the media, deliberately ensured that most people didn't get it, because from the start they pretended it it was a ranting hate tract. Misogynists have a vested interest in pretending that women hate men as much as they hate us. Thye can't point to vast numbers of men being legally, economically, socially and sexually systematically abused by women, so what they do is take obscure satirical tracts from the 1970's written by a woman who later developed mental health problems and pretends that proves we hate then as much as they hate us so therefore it's OK to continue to treat us and talk about us as less than human.

There's a facebook page put up today called Hope-you-have-pet-insurance-because-Im-about-to-destroy-your-pussy. It's for men to click into and have a good laugh about how funny it is to rape women. Nearly half a century after Valerie Solana's satire was published, we still live in a society where men aren't even vagulely ashamed to click on "like" and leave smileys so that they can bond with other men over their hatred of women. This sort of page appears with monotonous regularity on Facebook, but no such hate-speak pages appear about men for us to have a good giggle over what fun it is to hurt and abuse men. Because the depth of hatred for men, simply isn't there. When misogynists think it is, they are simply projecting their own hatred of us."

Vitalstats · 01/02/2013 21:38

"Misandry does not exist."

What about the "SCUM" manifesto thing would that be misandry?

Or to put it another way would the SCUM manifesto be regarded as misogynist if it was written by a man against women?

Vitalstats · 01/02/2013 21:36

" TeamDamon Fri 06-Jan-12 11:04:55

Love this definition of it though..."

The same user who posted their definition of misandry on urbandictionary (and actually did a bit of spamming by flooding the misandry page with several duplicate definitions) also posted this definition of a man:

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=man&defid=5810747

"Man: 90% are useless, worthless arseholes who vote up and post misogynistic definitions. when they're not doing that they're probably whining their egocentric hearts out that people are complaining about their stupid misogynistic arses whilst desperately.......[etc]"

OneMoreChap · 01/02/2013 21:08

Check the dates;

Wheezo Sun 13-May-12 00:07:42
followed by
Mugofteaforme Thu 31-Jan-13 19:27:11

Necro-posting to try and stir up trouble.

Mitchy1nge · 31/01/2013 21:16

I also assumed it was a joke, though it would be even funnier if it wasn't

LRDtheFeministDragon · 31/01/2013 21:02

Oh ... maybe I am a humourless feminist.

I didn't think it was a good enough reason to bump a very old thread, TBH.

AbigailAdams · 31/01/2013 21:00

The logic in Mug's post defies belief. I thought it was a joke I have to say Grin

LRDtheFeministDragon · 31/01/2013 20:48

mug - sorry ... so you're actually trying to say that, because some women feel unable to participate alongside men, it must be because they hate men more than cancer and are 'misandrist'?

You can't think of any other reason women might be afraid or upset? It's not as if these women were even going to make a fuss - they would just quietly not register.

Misandry does not exist. What you are seeing is women who are being crowded out by men and also - by you - blamed for this.