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I will stop being a feminist when ...

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garlicnutcracker · 26/12/2011 22:52

Thread prompted by one in AIBU ...

? Women's performance is always evaluated separately from their appearance.
? Women are proportionally represented at all levels in government.
? Half of all CEOs are women, matched equally with men by corporate worth and reward packages.
? Women are proportionally represented at all levels in the judiciary.
? Women carry equal weight in the military and law-enforcement services.
? Half of all wealth is owned by women.
? Women's fertility is not given as an excuse for their disenfrachisement.
? No woman is blamed for her own rape.
? Mainstream pornography does not promote violence against women.
? Mainstream media do not promote the sexualisation of women.
? No woman is expected to tolerate violence against her person.

That'll do for starters.

As a free extra: I will accept that men's rights movements have equal validity when ...

? All of the above.
? Men accept full responsibility, of all kinds, for all of their children, as automatically as women do.

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AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 26/12/2011 23:50

when fathers don't "babysit" their children

and everything so far

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garlicnutcracker · 26/12/2011 23:46

when no-one says 'isn't DH good for having DS for you' - Do you let people get away with it, Wilson? Does DH?

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garlicnutcracker · 26/12/2011 23:43

It still surprises me how much that's changed (the toy thing) since my sibs were small in the 70s. Toy kitchens had pictures of little boys on the packet, as well as little girls, same as toy tool sets and so forth. And what's with all the colour-coding? What if your DCs happen to love orange and green? Am flummoxed.

Mustn't forget that boys do cookery at school now, though. It's a start - not to mention sensible; boys eat, don't they Grin

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WilsonFrickett · 26/12/2011 23:41

When hell freezes over....

Or when no-one says 'isn't DH good for having DS for you'
When people talk about what parents are going to do WRT jobs/careers/childcare/PT//FT after having DCs, rather than mothers.
When the term 'full time mother' is never uttered.

And when every girl and woman in the world is free to make their own choices in terms of dress, education, beliefs, has access to proper healthcare, including maternal care, has the right to marry whom they like (and divorce them too), work if they want and own property and money in their own name.

Also see 'when hell freezes over' Sad

MJinSparklyStockings · 26/12/2011 23:41

garlic I saw this thread earlier, but as you have linked it for me, I am confused (but I have had a bottle of wine, some pimms and a few GnTs through the course of the day) - whats all this got to do with Families need Fathers and whether its members pay maintenance??

thunderboltsandlightning · 26/12/2011 23:36

when women are free

OnemorningXmasCockMonkey · 26/12/2011 23:35

I've just seen a typo on my second comment: I obviously meant NOT steered towards toys... :)

The rest though :(

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garlicnutcracker · 26/12/2011 23:14

Your first one made me laugh and nod Grin

Bought, sold, killed, mutilated ... YYY :(

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OnemorningXmasCockMonkey · 26/12/2011 23:08
  • When childcare is seen as something intrinsic to both mothers and fathers, not just mothers
  • When female children are steered towards toys that tell them their self-worth should be based on prettiness and domesticity
  • When female foetuses aren't aborted simply because their gender makes them worth less than male foetuses
OnemorningXmasCockMonkey · 26/12/2011 23:06

Some more here, some are superficial:

  • When fat, ugly women appear on television / in the media in respected positions as much as fat, ugly men
  • When women don't receive kitchen / home tools as presents unless they have specifically requested them
  • When men are not praised for being 'so good' with their OWN kids and for cleaning up their OWN houses
  • When anti-rape posters tell men not to rape, instead of telling women to be afraid and stay afraid
  • When 'feminist' isn't used as an insult
  • When certain people don't use pseudo-scientific 'male brain' vs 'female brain' crap to justify cultural norms
  • When no woman is told by a stranger 'cheer up love, it'll never happen'
  • When a woman is not judged for the number of people she sleeps with
  • When a woman can walk down the street without being shouted at / cat called
  • When a woman's worth is not dictated by her tinyness / size of her breasts / youthful skin
  • When women are not judged for (clutches pearls) deciding NOT to have children
  • When women are not obliged to change their dress to appease cultural ideas of modesty / religiosity
  • When women are not bought and sold
  • When women are not killed for the family's 'honour'
  • When women are not imprisoned for being raped
  • When women do not have their genitals mutilated for cultural reasons