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I will stop being a feminist when ...

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garlicnutcracker · 26/12/2011 22:52

Thread prompted by one in AIBU ...

? Women's performance is always evaluated separately from their appearance.
? Women are proportionally represented at all levels in government.
? Half of all CEOs are women, matched equally with men by corporate worth and reward packages.
? Women are proportionally represented at all levels in the judiciary.
? Women carry equal weight in the military and law-enforcement services.
? Half of all wealth is owned by women.
? Women's fertility is not given as an excuse for their disenfrachisement.
? No woman is blamed for her own rape.
? Mainstream pornography does not promote violence against women.
? Mainstream media do not promote the sexualisation of women.
? No woman is expected to tolerate violence against her person.

That'll do for starters.

As a free extra: I will accept that men's rights movements have equal validity when ...

? All of the above.
? Men accept full responsibility, of all kinds, for all of their children, as automatically as women do.

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caramelwaffle · 29/12/2011 20:58

Excellent post TamIAm

TamIAm · 29/12/2011 15:07

*10 Surefire tips to prevent sexual assault and rape:

  1. Don?t put drugs in people?s drinks in order to control their behavior.
  1. When you see someone walking by themselves, leave them alone!
  1. If you pull over to help someone with car problems, remember not to assault them!
  1. NEVER open an unlocked door or window uninvited.
  1. If you are in an elevator and someone else gets in, DON?T ASSAULT THEM!
  1. Remember, people go to laundry to do their laundry, do not attempt to molest someone who is alone in a laundry room.
  1. USE THE BUDDY SYSTEM! If you are not able to stop yourself from assaulting people, ask a friend to stay with you while you are in public.
  1. Always be honest with people! Don?t pretend to be a caring friend in order to gain the trust of someone you want to assault. Consider telling them you plan to assault them. If you don?t communicate your intentions, the other person may take that as a sign that you do not plan to rape them.
  1. Don?t forget: you can?t have sex with someone unless they are awake!
  1. Carry a whistle! If you are worried you might assault someone ?on accident? you can hand it to the person you are with, so they can blow it if you do.*

feministphilosophers.wordpress.com/2009/09/22/preventing-sexual-assault-tips-guaranteed-to-work/

I will probably never stop being a feminist, even if true equality and equity is achieved. However, I'd come a lot closer if rapists were actually convicted of their crimes at a rate that was on a par with other criminals, AND served sentences that demonstrated the seriousness of the crime.

Also: Just for any of the 'rapists are sick men who are wired differently' people - try reading this. It might help enlighten.

pervocracy.blogspot.com/2011/11/slavering-beast-theory.html

WilsonFrickett · 28/12/2011 19:03

One morning reinforce to students that a human penis the size and width of two tins of baked beans is most unlikely

Brilliant Xmas Grin Xmas Grin Xmas Grin

ElfenorRathbone · 28/12/2011 13:40

Oh Alias everyone knows that people who claim that men are wired differently and that explains the raping, are either women who think all men are rapists, or rapists, who think all men are rapists.

No point arguing with them, rapists and their apologists aren't amenable to reason.

TheRealTinselAndMistletoe · 28/12/2011 13:04

I will stop being a feminist when... when having a vagina or a penis only means you have a vagina or a penis.

aliasforthis2 · 28/12/2011 11:42

Thanks AF x

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 28/12/2011 11:18

alias come join the Frothers here

StewieGriffinsMom · 28/12/2011 10:34

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OnemorningXmasCockMonkey · 28/12/2011 10:10

Hi Wilson, I googled (in case DH was mistaken) and found the attached sheet, which I think is for teachers to use:

www.pshe-association.org.uk/uploads/media/27/7596.pdf

It states that aA condom can usually hold one or two tins of baked beans (this is my fact of the day) and condoms get weaker when they've got 500ml of water in them. Grin

These guys were able to get 7 gallons in one condom. Shock

aliasforthis2 · 28/12/2011 01:00

Obviously (or so I'd previously thought Hmm) - conception happens due to both parties participating , male and female. If either partner is very adverse to having and taking responsibility for a child, then they should take personal responsibility to ensure this does not happen. For a male this would involve insisting on using his own condom (to be sure it wasn't tampered with). Although the poster with the aversion for "dick covers" was pretty hilarious Grin

As for rape, I think it's a pretty disgusting and dangerous assumption to make that rape is due to men being "wired differently" Shock, or the women being drunk or scantily dressed or walking alone at night. These myths really need to be blown apart. Along with the other common one that still holds true as far as I can tell from conversations with those around me in general - that your husband/boyfriend cannot rape you. Rape is soley the fault of the perpetrator, and the only way to eliminate rape is for RAPISTS TO STOP RAPING.

As an aside, that Frothers blog link is excellent! Did some MN'ers set that up? x

WilsonFrickett · 28/12/2011 00:26

one morning I have had wine. Really?

AyeFartedOnSantasLap · 27/12/2011 23:07

Was the large-condom focus group pissed when they came up with "dong bins" as the brand name? Grin

MJinSparklyStockings · 27/12/2011 23:02

Ah lovely dh came home from work to find me pissed with my mate under the weather, he took DCs with him while he dropped dsd home and the. I disappeared to bed while he found the house again :).

I hate dong bins - that's his and ds1s job.

StewieGriffinsMom · 27/12/2011 22:47

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OnemorningXmasCockMonkey · 27/12/2011 22:21

My DH (former scout dib dib dob dob) has told me that a condom will hold a bathtub's worth of water, which is why they are issued to troops.

How big is his pee pee?

OnemorningXmasCockMonkey · 27/12/2011 22:20

yy Elfenor. [happy memories emoticon]

ElfenorRathbone · 27/12/2011 21:53

You know, men with REALLY ENORMOUS dicks, know that there are condoms made that fit them comfortably.

It's only men who don't have big dicks, who imagine that men with really big dicks can't get a condom on.

Just sayin'.

WilsonFrickett · 27/12/2011 18:14
Xmas Grin
lollygag · 27/12/2011 18:11

Remember,men don't give a xxxx for wifework apart from the cooking - they can live perfectly well in complete squalour ( in fact i think they prefer it!)

WilsonFrickett · 27/12/2011 18:06

But but but I thought wifework was Top Trump? Maybe my brain is just wired differently?

lollygag · 27/12/2011 18:00

wilsonfrickett - you haven't grasped the rules.Moaning about envelopes clearly doesn't negate always taking the bins out.Haven't you played Top Trumps?

PamBeesly · 27/12/2011 17:57

mwahahaha....yes he is a good sort I suppose, when I'm heaving in agony he just looks at me and says, 'don't worry we will never do this again' ...note the 'we will' HC he seems to know his part in it all, he has a grasp of basic biology you see... Hmm
He does look awfully guilty when I'm crying out in pain...I don't think I've lifted a cloth in our house in the last 7 months...I never have too but we both see this as normal, he can't gestate so he does everything else. We work together too and he goes into work everyday so I don't have to if I don't want to. I do feel so sorry for those who have to do everything when they are so tired and sore, its just not right

WilsonFrickett · 27/12/2011 17:53

Mine has just popped through to moan I didn't buy the right kind of envelopes, so I withdraw previous post in favour of the gender Xmas Hmm

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 27/12/2011 17:46

it counts !

and what about the bloke that impregnated you ?

that little swimmer came in kinda useful

< not that we even need a male partner, these days >

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