Pro-life / Pro-choice

Oh, honey.

Look, if you self harm this is honestly not the place. We can talk but we are not professionals, and you need to talk to someone.

Are you ok Drowz0r?

Honestly ... no-one is going to mind if you have something to say, but this 'I want to ask this ... but no, I want to ask that ... ' posting is rather strange. If you're finding it all too much, just take a breath and come back later, ok? Or you could start another thread where you set out a bit more in your OP about what you're trying to say.

Btw, I do understand it is hard when you are struggling with other things (like you mentioned on the other thread), so please don't feel you can't take your time to work out what you think and what you actually want to talk about. It'll all make much more sense if you draft out each post slowly and let us know what you are trying to say.

I am laughing at femanism and termanology

Well, Drowz0r, you now know, if you didn't already, that of your sample of MN feminists the vast majority are pro-choice.

Thanks Milly, I didn't know that and it makes things clearer.

I think 'it is my body' is the basic argument.

Using self harm as an analogy to prove this argument wrong is ridiculous.

People are allowed to deliberately self harm without interference from the state. In fact, then can get state funded counselling aimed at reducing the risks to themselves while self harming, not aimed at ending the self harm.

Because it is recognised in law that we do have a right to our own bodies.

Deliberate self harm is not a mental health condition; you cannot be sectioned under the mental health act solely for self harming. You would have to be found to have depression or another condition that could impair your judgement.

Sorry to go off topic, I just wanted to pick up on this misunderstanding about the legal status of self harm.

Meant to say ... we had someone's teenage son on here the other day asking about his homework, so there is honestly no reason to be shy of advancing an opinion!

I think you're a bit confused.

If you want to do a poll, I think you need to phrase it differently... what we're doing here is discussing opinions, which aren't 'information', so may not be the best way to help you if all of this is bothering you.

Btw, you don't need to keep apologizing - I can imagine it feels a bit nervy posting when you're unsure of what you think but honestly, people do it all the time, you're nothing new.

I'm pro-choice but I see abortion as an unfortunate necessity and mandatory PIV as the real problem.

HTH

True LRD this is probably not the best place though. And this subject does tend to raise some extreme arguments. IMO abortion is an extremely difficult choice and is made in very personal circumstances. I chose not, others will choose to. I do think that there is more to it than 'Its my body' but I haven't managed to formulate why yet...I'll get there

I am pro-choice.

Not every woman wants to nuture children, not every woman can cope with an unplanned pregnancy or feels that she could love an unwanted child no matter what, not every mother feels that she wants more children to be responsible for.

To say that women shouldn't get abortions smacks of 'women who enjoy sex are bad' and 'women are lovely, soft, gentle nurturing beings who love children no matter what', conveniently stereotyping and ignoring women who do find motherhood hard and would struggle with a baby.

I prefer to see each woman as an individual and if they don't want to carry that child then they shouldn't have to resort to a backroom abortion. Women have always sought abortion, I don't think that will ever change and I would rather they had clean, safe services.

I am eternally grateful for the services we have in the UK. I had a termination of my third child within five days of a positive test. I didn't want to be a mother again and I have no regret. Any sadness I have is due to being unexpectedly pregnant, not having had an abortion. It was hard but being responsible for another baby would have been even harder. It was hard enough dealing with those pregnancy symptoms for the days I did, I have no idea how I would have coped with waiting longer.

Yes, I wondered that Molli. He sounds very uncertain, which is fair enough, but also surprised/hurt to be asked what he thinks and why.

It's quite unusual and makes me wonder what's going on in his life. None of my business I know, but when you have a young man who's getting upset about abortion, obviously well outside his comfort zone and wanting advice, it's natural to be concerned for him, I think.

Well thanks for all your ramblings OP. You've certainly helped advance the argument and my understanding on this subject.

s/he already said they're prolife.

I'd like them to explain their reasoning, as a response to ours.

I wonder if the OP is trying to establish what their opinion actually is by getting us to explain our points of view?

Eh?

I'm sorry, I don't follow. You wanted to be incoherent in case someone hit you? You are surprised to be asked your opinion?

I don't understand what you're trying to tell us. It's (obviously, I would have thought), very rude to try to stir up a debate without advancing your own opinion ... that is actually known as 'trolling' on the internet, when you disguise yourself by using a persona to stir up arguments. It's generally considered bad form. I take it you don't use discussion forums much?

I'm definitely pro-choice but what's right for one woman is so different from what's right for another and I think people should e counselled on abortion as individuals. I had a baby in circumstances so difficult a lot of people on the outside couldn't understand why I didn't have an abortion. But for me it was the right thing to do to have her. For another woman it may have been entirely different.

Well tell us your reasons then as we've explained ours to you.

exactly, slug.

"pro-life" rarely seems to extend to the mother's life, or indeed to the baby's life after birth, if it is to live in poverty.