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Hi, I am Hully's DS. Hully said I could ask you a question!

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Hullygully · 02/12/2011 18:20

For R.S i have been asked to think, and collect, 10 key points WHY women have suffered from sexism in the past. I can think of HOW, but I am interested in WHY. I would be really interseted and grateful in any thoughts you may have! Thanks!

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Hullygully · 06/12/2011 17:53

He wasn't though. I've seen it on the telly. It was a damn good doc, wish I could remember what it was called.

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MillyR · 06/12/2011 17:52

Hully, due to the translation of the Greek into 'close family member' rather than 'brother/sister.' Catholics believe Jesus was an only child.

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Hullygully · 06/12/2011 17:49

but jesus had lots of brothers and sisters, he was one of the oldest and had to look after the youunger ones. How does that square with Mary's hymen intactus?

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MillyR · 06/12/2011 17:48

Jesus did have a child according to the gospel of Philip. So I don't think it is true that nobody was bothered.

LEttletownofBOFlehem · 06/12/2011 17:41

Ah- further reading suggests I'm wrong. But discussing the Immaculate Conception, an implicit reference may be found in the angel?s greeting to Mary. The angel Gabriel said, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you" (Luke 1:28). The phrase "full of grace" is a translation of the Greek word kecharitomene. It therefore expresses a characteristic quality of Mary.

I don't know why I'm reading up on this stuff- I have lapsed so far from my Catholic upbringing that it is a mere dot in the distance.

LEttletownofBOFlehem · 06/12/2011 17:35

Does the Immaculate Conception not appear in the bible then? I thought it said that she was conceived without sin?

MooncupGoddess · 06/12/2011 17:33

Yes, that is the Catholic belief, Milly. Of course the Immaculate Conception appears nowhere in the Bible and was invented several centuries afterwards.

For Catholics though the perpetual virginity of Mary is v. important (she is often referred to as 'ever virgin' in the liturgy). In fact some Catholics believe that Jesus was miraculously born without breaking Mary's hymen, as breaking the hymen would have meant she was technically no longer a virgin. Hmm

Of course no one gets worked up about whether Jesus was a virgin or not.

LEttletownofBOFlehem · 06/12/2011 17:29

I don't really understand why it matters that Mary is too good for anyone. If that were the case, I can think of a number of couples that shouldn't be together.

RealiTreeCoveredInTinsel · 06/12/2011 17:23

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MillyR · 06/12/2011 17:23

Hully, I think the point of the virgin birth in Catholic tradition is that Mary was immaculately conceived. This meant that Jesus could also be immaculately conceived because one of his parents was a human who was immaculately conceived and one of them was God.

He couldn't have been a perfect sacrifice and atoned for the sin of humanity if he himself was carrying original sin.

And also what you said about needing to be the son of God.

If Mary then went on to have further children herself after the birth of Jesus it would then be the bizarre situation of somebody who was herself immaculately conceived carrying a baby that carried the stain of original sin from the human father. So I don't think it is much about her non-virginity after Jesus being a bad thing as their being no appropriate human for her to have sex with because all the humans apart from her were born carrying sin.

RealityIsADistantMemory · 06/12/2011 17:13

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EdlessAllenPoe · 06/12/2011 16:59

i somehow thought the communal mind of the Gully household might lie somewhere near the Cloaca Maxima...

StNickelsbabe?

SirCliffRichardSucksEggsInHell · 06/12/2011 16:55

Tsk!

LEttletownofBOFlehem · 06/12/2011 16:54

Yeah, and it sucks eggs! Xmas Grin

I'm sticking with this until a stroke of genius falls upon me, but I certainly don't want to upset ol' Nickel in her condition, so I will keep a lower profile. You never know, one day I might be true to my word and actually take a mumsnet break which lasts longer than a day and a half. Imagine what I could get done!

nickelbabe · 06/12/2011 16:52

i liked your suggestion Cliff

AbsofCroissant · 06/12/2011 16:52

I missed Hully's progeny? DAMNIT.

DAMN YOU WORK AND YOUR MAKING ME DO STUFF INSTEAD OF MN

SirCliffRichardSucksEggsInHell · 06/12/2011 16:50

Oi, I made a suggestion there!

LEttletownofBOFlehem · 06/12/2011 16:49
Xmas Grin
nickelbabe · 06/12/2011 16:47

by the time my parasite makes an appearance, I will have missed the deadline for the competition.

maybe the competition should be who's got the best variation on the theme of Little Town of Bethlehem? Grin

LEttletownofBOFlehem · 06/12/2011 16:45

Aw love, I really don't want to change, and I promise I didn't steal it from you. But I won't enter the name competition if I'm nominated- is that a reasonable compromise?

SirCliffRichardSucksEggsInHell · 06/12/2011 16:40

santa, there are large portions of the bible that are not included in the official gospels. Your answer could lie there. Google Mary's gospel. It's interesting to say the least.

LeBofYuleAMerryChristmas?

nickelbabe · 06/12/2011 16:38

I made OliviaMNHQ not usse Oliviatown.... cos it stole mine.

No, no sign - I've finished the first live birth thread and have had to start number 2 (by popular demand) :(

LEttletownofBOFlehem · 06/12/2011 16:32
nickelbabe · 06/12/2011 16:28

anyway, last year, I was promised that if she used the same name this year, (because that was two years running and I complained) that she wouldn't be allowed to enter with it.

nickelbabe · 06/12/2011 16:27

you can't oust her - she did that to me lst year, and won, even though my christmas name was a triptych of names!!
and everyone said my name was genius.
:( :( :(