letting the MRA trolls win

oh i got a warm glow inside at the idea people were pleased to see mn feminists and a moment of grief for all my deleted posts

I wish I could have got to the vigil. I was thinking of you though.

FWIW, at Reclaim the Night in London people were mentioning Mumsnet Feminists.

A lot of us talk off board in various environments where woman-haters are not welcomed with open arms. The level of hatred MRA's showed us, made many of us realise that talking on MN wasn't enough, we had to up our activism, so we've been really busy - in the last few weeks there's been Feminista 11, The Fawcett Day of Action, Reclaim the Night (in various cities) and various other conferences and events are coming up. Plus of course, the strike tomorrow - there's a lot going on atm and people are still pretty wary about spending too much time in an environment where trolls and dangerous woman-haters are given the benefit of the doubt while posters who have been on MN for years, are told to fuck off.

It was made very clear by MN, that unlike racism, misogyny is tolerated here and if feminists wanted to talk about feminism in a space where misogyny is treated with the same zero tolerance as racism, then we'd need to go elsewhere. So um..... MN isn't the only feminist space on the internet and it certainly isn't the safest, but I don't think it's fair to imply that people who have name changed, have given up on MN, we're still posting here and whenever I meet other feminists in RL, I always tell them about the fem section of MN and recommend it. You're not flying solo OP, there are plenty of feminists round here and I'm sure they're all working as vigorously as you to overthrow the patriarchy.

Yes - we'd asked MNHQ to maybe clarify (with a statement at the top of the thread) whether it was on to come onto this section with the deliberate intention of arguing against/being hostile towards feminism.

The response from HQ was that yes, it was fair enough for people to come here in order to argue against feminism and we should just be nice to them.

Gazillions of man-trolls, who have largely fucked off now, and MNHQ posted to say that they would leave their rape myths etc up, as long as they weren't direct personal attacks against individual posters (but insulting feminists as a group is ok, apparently), because the FWR section is about feminism rather than for feminists to post in, and that if we wanted a safe space where misogyny wasn't tolerated in which to discuss our feminism, we should fuck off find somewhere else to do so, as that's not what mumsnet is about.

HTH.

Ooopss. Apologies for missing the question marks.

Sorry to bring the wittiness of this thread crashing down (and it did make me ) but what attacks, what response from MNHQ. Can somebody post a link as I am quite confused. I only get to pop by now and again.

Venom is best Milly. It soothes those lips and fights the bacteria at the same time. There's some on the floor you can scoop up I think.

MillyR, then you should do to your lips what you do to your nipples.

for the good of all i have just applied kamillosan to my lips. can confirm it feels very soothing and calming and gives a slight tingling sensation. though that may be the bacteria. will tell you results as they come in.

they do do lip balm tins under speciality bottles.

alternatively empty out one of your old ones and sterilise.

bacteria is everywhere. we'll survive.

Which is the best nipple cream for chapped lips then? I always have chapped lips but have never had cracked nipples. Sorry if this is meant to be on another thread.

Yy BOF. It certainly is.

Back on the Lansinoh thing

AFAIK lanolin is antibacterial. And I have seen this suggested as a receptacle into which to decant said lanolin for discretion.

if we all start talking properly again here they'll be back in no time.

then when we try to ignore them or argue with them or whatever else we do it will be wrong and we'll be slagged off by mnhq and others.

can we be arsed?

the imaginary royal 'we' that 'we' are assumed to be that is.

The interesting thing about the boards going very quiet after MNHQ rolled out the red carpet for the trolls made their statement that this wasn't a safe feminist space, is that the man-trolls fucked off too, because they weren't getting any attention. If that isn't a ringing endorsement of a Hide Poster option, I don't know what is.

Might be a bit unhygenic if it's been opened though ... bacteria thrive on anything at all wet.

(Sorry, kind of derailing this thread but I suppose it demonstrates we're not all busy venoming each other).

I'm sure you'd know by smell/texture if it had.

i have a 4yo and a tube of camilosan do you think it goes off?

MBJ - yep, that is exactly what I was told! Now, how well will I have to hide the bloody stuff so my mother doesn't root around and find it on her next visit, I wonder?

I remember the MRa invasion but not MNHQ's statement.

I go through phases of posting/reading but not posting/not mnetting at all.

I think that the departure of a few insightful and passionate posters has hit this section. In that sense, the MRA's might have won. However, this section will evolve. There are enough of us left and we will (when we have time) contribute to an informative, supportive and nurturing board. I hope I'm right.

I haven't seen any venom by the way.

I take it back, I'll have the venom.

LRD, Lansinoh is ACE for chapped lips. Really works brilliantly and 100% natural. (also the only thing I've ever used mine for so I can confirm that the shelf life is over2 years)