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Feminist perspectives on transgendered people

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toboldlygo · 28/11/2011 19:10

Excuse the random intrusion (haven't posted here before) but I've been watching My Transsexual Summer on C4 and it's raised some questions for me; basically, I was just wondering if there was any sort of feminist consensus on transgendered/transsexual individuals, whether there's any difference in opinions depending on whether they are FtM or MtF, pre or post surgery etc.

Not looking for a bunfight, just curious, if it helps any I am a cisgendered female these days but went through a phase in my late teens of being desperately uncomfortable in my own gender and wanting very much to be male.

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WilLiAmHerschel · 06/02/2016 12:11

Haha what a funny revival.

EmpressOfTheVulvaCupcakes · 05/02/2016 22:14
Wine
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toboldlygo · 05/02/2016 22:02

If nothing else I've had a bit of a laugh at my naive and clumsy attempts to work through some adolescent gender issues. Grin

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EmpressOfTheVulvaCupcakes · 05/02/2016 21:43

I think a lot of us have moved on since this thread!

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toboldlygo · 05/02/2016 21:12

...and now to sit and re-read this thread, which was genuinely a noob's first interaction with feminism/gender/trans discourse, an awful lot has changed in five years...

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EmpressOfTheVulvaCupcakes · 05/02/2016 17:59

No problem Ladyballs, WaitrosePigeon was asking too!

ladyballs · 05/02/2016 11:32

I was still a libfem squeaking on about cis privilege when this thread was started Grin

ladyballs · 05/02/2016 11:31

Sorry Empress I was raising my eyebrow at being addressed as cis yet again. It's a bullshit term IMO used by MTT to denigrate women.

EmpressOfTheVulvaCupcakes · 02/02/2016 08:11

Cis is a silly term used by some transpeople to define people whose gender matches their sex - eg Unicorns would probably say that "ciswomen" & "transwomen" are both subsets of women.

It's silly (and rude) because
a) gender is just a bunch of daft stereotypes & nobody conforms to all of them
b) Tautology. Biological women just are women and don't need a prefix.

As for the issue of not talking for other groups, Unicorns is absolutely right and I wish more TWs recognised that they have no idea of what it is to be a woman.

ladyballs · 29/01/2016 23:47

Cis?

WaitrosePigeon · 29/01/2016 21:53

Oh for fucks sake this is years old!

WaitrosePigeon · 29/01/2016 21:52

What is a cis person?

HeadJudgeLen · 29/01/2016 21:51

Who ARE these cis people to which you refer?

QueenLaBeefah · 29/01/2016 21:50

Did laugh at the we have no idea what it is like to be trans crap but apparently transwonen know what it is like to be a woman.

Can't have it both ways.

QueenLaBeefah · 29/01/2016 21:49

You might be trans but it doesn't prevent you from reading the huge, frikkin notice telling you this thread is 5yrs old!!!!

BombadierFritz · 29/01/2016 21:48

it's like if a man came and tried to talk about women's issue's, you'd appreciate it, but it isn't their place,. . . .

Sorry i know this is a zombie thread but that was too hilarious a comment to ignore

Yes, just imagine that. A man. Claiming he knew what it was like to be a woman and womens issues. Cos that would never happen

TamaraLamara · 29/01/2016 21:43

if a man came and tried to talk about women's issue's

Dead right. A man has, at best, limited understanding of how it is to be born, live, and grow up as female in a predominantly patriarchal society.

DrSeussRevived · 29/01/2016 21:39

This thread is even more revived than I am, it's nearly 5 years old!

WindyMillersProbationOfficer · 29/01/2016 18:43

Personally, as a trans-woman, I dislike it when Cis people try to talk about transgender issues, when they have't felt it before, it's like if a man came and tried to talk about women's issue's, you'd appreciate it, but it isn't their place, no offence, give transgender people a voice, DON'T try and talk for them (Us) :D

Pot, kettle, etc.

UnicornsRuleAll · 29/01/2016 18:37

Transgender* Transgendered isn't a thing.

It's like saying "I'm Americaned" I have always been, am, and wlaways will be a transgender woman, and I'm proud of that! :D Doesn't mean I should be considered any less of a woman.

UnicornsRuleAll · 29/01/2016 18:20

Personally, as a trans-woman, I dislike it when Cis people try to talk about transgender issues, when they have't felt it before, it's like if a man came and tried to talk about women's issue's, you'd appreciate it, but it isn't their place, no offence, give transgender people a voice, DON'T try and talk for them (Us) :D

MillyR · 01/12/2011 11:26

Tiggy, I am sure that you are right - most trans people do not behave like trans activists and would be sensitive in certain situations.

But I shouldn't have to rely on that, anymore than a black person should have to rely on white people to be sensitive. All minority groups should have protection under the law from discrimination.

Hullygully · 01/12/2011 11:26

yes, I'm sure that's true too.

TiggyD · 01/12/2011 11:22

Hully "FtM"s get overlooked a lot because there aren't many of them.

I think that most of the women with a transsexual past I've met would be understanding and discrete when it comes to situations that could upset others. I'm sure Trans extremists don't talk for the majority of trans people in the same way as feminist extremists don't talk for the majority of feminists.

Hullygully · 01/12/2011 11:15

milly - yes I can see that too.