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Rape in literature (warning may be triggering)

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careyjones · 28/11/2011 14:29

Hi there, first off I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Carey and I'm 21 and just getting into feminism and found these wonderful boards.

I'm hoping to get some feedback from some of the more seasoned feminists on here, (but any opinion is helpful!)

My friend is writing a book...and in the book he includes a section about rape. The basic premise of the book is set in a futuristic world, where people get 'scored' for how well they play by the systems rules, how attractive they are, how many girls they can get. Its supposed to be a dystopian novel and he writes it very well and its funny and intelligent. In the section that I am talking about, he is introducing a character who 'one day realised he was a rapist'.

Now, he writes in quite a surreal way, and he is clearly not painting this rapist character as a sympathetic character at all. But there is something about it that just doesnt sit right with me. And i'm not sure what it is. I have tried to talk to him about it, but I really am quite new to these topics and can't quite seem to articulate what exactly I find uncomfortable about it.

He is a feminist. His mum and his sister were both raped...so he is not some sort of rape apologist.

He said his motivation for writing the rape scene was because he wanted to delve deeper into the MIND of the rapist, as even if we see them as 'evil' people (they do indeed to evil things) they are still people. He wanted to humanise them. Not excuse what they did but understand. And also to show how messed up the society had become, that things like this could happen.

I think my main problems in the scene were

  1. the absence of any female voice. I think its very important to have the voice of the rapist to understand them...but having nothing from the girl...seems oppressive and not constructive. Unless he is deliberately trying to prove this point. In which case he needs to be more obvious.
  1. The idea of 'stranger rape' in an alley way....whereas actually women are raped more often than not by friends or people who know them.

But there may be more. I don't know.

I want to be able to give him constructive criticisms on it...because i think it is so so so important to deal with these issues in the best way possible. We live in a society where rape joke are rife and politicians talk ridiculously about 'good rape and bad rape' so if we have the smallest chance to make a difference through literature/art/politics I think we should do our best to take it.

I'd like to post the excerpt (my friend wont mind, he has told me I can show it to as many people as I want to discuss it...he wants to make it good) I will post it in the next post and I would love,love,love to hear peoples opinions on it.

Beware it is quite descriptive of the rape, so if you are upset by thing like this you may not want to read on.

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Hullygully · 28/11/2011 15:35

Everything else aside, that is seriously crap.

StewieGriffinsMom · 28/11/2011 15:35

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 28/11/2011 15:34

Thanks SGM.

It does read that way, I agree. I really don't like it.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 28/11/2011 15:33

Btw, if he really wants to understand rape, would he be interested in reading some feminist writings on rape? I think that might be a lot better since we are actually pretty familiar with rape myths and with the rapists' points of view, they're all over the place. What is less usual is to read someone explaining the actual hidden assumptions that underlie rapists' way of thinking.

StewieGriffinsMom · 28/11/2011 15:32

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 28/11/2011 15:31

To be honest, I do not think this is 'literature'. I'm sorry if that is harsh to your friend. But I agree with you, I am uncomfortable reading it (in fact I started skimming it towards the end). It could be he writes badly about rape because after all, if he made the imaginative leap to get into a rapist's mind successfully, that would be quite troubling wouldn't it?

I don't understand why he wants to 'humanise' a rapist? I mean, surely there is enough out there humanizing rapists. What does he think humanizing a rapist will achieve? That is what I would ask him.

Otherwise to be honest, I feel it is voyeuristic/exploitative.

Sorry if that is too simple a response but it is what I feel.

StewieGriffinsMom · 28/11/2011 15:29

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StewieGriffinsMom · 28/11/2011 15:28

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difficulttimes · 28/11/2011 15:11

Would he be okay you posting that excerpt on here?

careyjones · 28/11/2011 14:32

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