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Omnibus TV programme on Andrea Dworkin's Pornography work

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thunderboltsandlightning · 19/11/2011 14:48

Worth watching whatever side of the pornography debate you are on. If you're anti-porn it will inspire you, because Andrea Dworkin is just amazing, if you're pro-porn it will let you hear actual anti-porn arguments rather than the strawmen that are usually used to characterise the anti-porn position.

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thunderboltsandlightning · 19/11/2011 18:08

Did they teach you how to analyse and defeat the patriarchy nursenic?

No?

Well it's not feminism then.

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thunderboltsandlightning · 19/11/2011 18:07

Also nursenic, except in a few rare cases, the feminsim "taught" in academia is generally anti-feminism. Hence Camille Paglia being included in your course.

Academia fucked over feminism and depoliticised it, but we're finally reclaiming it from the academics.

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PlentyOfPubeGardens · 19/11/2011 18:07

Excellent documentary, thankyou.

nursenic · 19/11/2011 18:05

Call it gender Studies, Womens Studies, History, Sociology or whatever you want but feminist history, thought and theories are taught and discussed within these.

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thunderboltsandlightning · 19/11/2011 18:04

So that's a sum total of nothing then, that Paglia did for women. Feminism isn't a "debate", it's political movement to end the male oppression of women. Also feminism already has something to push against, it's called the patriarchy in case you hadn't heard of it.

Anyway you're derailing this thread bring up someone who attacked Dworkin in the third post on this thread. You've said zero about the actual programme. Why don't you watch it and tell us your thoughts.

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TheButterflyEffect · 19/11/2011 18:03

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nursenic · 19/11/2011 17:55

What has Paglia achieved for women?

Weeellll.....she is part of a wider debate that not so long ago would not have existed in print and would have been afforded no credibility whatsoever. It is reductionist to eliminate a woman from a debate simply because of disagreement as to 'credentials' and co-existence with dominant thinking. Even an 'unhealthy' enjoyment of the media spotlight.

Debate needs something to push against.

StewieGriffinsMom · 19/11/2011 17:54

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nursenic · 19/11/2011 17:49

When you encounter young girls unaware of the history of feminism then yes, feminism as a movement, it's ideals, disagreements, theorists and theories need to be taught. Then with awareness, true learning and one's position can be achieved.

it is both- political movement and academic subject. The topic of race is both too-there is history there and there is lived consciousness too.

nursenic · 19/11/2011 17:46

Really? Not taught? Not discussed? Good god were my ears and eyes deceiving me in an academic transcript of a university lectures i was given last term discussing whether she should be taught?

She too has had a (patchy) academic career;

Former lecturer at Bennington albeit sacked;
Hon Professor at University of the Arts, Philadelphia;

ScarlettIsWalking · 19/11/2011 17:42

Thank you for this.

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thunderboltsandlightning · 19/11/2011 17:39

Feminism isn't taught anyway. It's not an academic subject it's a political movement. What has Paglia achieved for women?

Dworkin on the other hand gave women the tools to talk about male violence against us. The documentary shows the danger she put herself in by being brave enough to take that position.

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nursenic · 19/11/2011 17:37

IYO. Makes the World go round does it not.

StewieGriffinsMom · 19/11/2011 17:35

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thunderboltsandlightning · 19/11/2011 17:33

Paglia isn't a feminist.

But anyway this thread is about this incredibly rare (unique?) documentary on Dworkin's work.

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nursenic · 19/11/2011 17:03

Maybe from a British point of view but in the USA she is well published and academically 'used'.

Like many in the great academic 'battle', she has taken the 'slacker route' to prominence and yes, as a result has become trivialised and reactionary.

But much of her earlier work has academic viabilityregardless of whether one agrees with it.

StewieGriffinsMom · 19/11/2011 16:57

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nursenic · 19/11/2011 16:45

I agree. She's very media orientated rather as opposed to academia despite her teaching posts!

She's part of the canon though and entertaining. In a 'chewing the inside of my cheek' way though lol.

StewieGriffinsMom · 19/11/2011 16:33

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nursenic · 19/11/2011 16:04

i have always been fascinated by her work. In Camille Paglia's book of collected essays 'Tramps and Vamps' she really goes after her.

I would recommend Camille Paglia as another polarising intellectual feminist. Gets you thinking. Especially her views on rape.

TheButterflyEffect · 19/11/2011 16:01

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