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Asa feminist what do you think about the burkha/niqab, liberating or oppressive?

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DarlingDuck · 10/10/2011 15:34

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Rivenwithoutabingle · 10/10/2011 18:33

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nailak · 10/10/2011 18:29

quick question - is vitamin d only from direct sunlight? can it be got from food, or from radiation that passes through clothes/ windows?

i know when a baby is jaundices the mw says it is enough to put the baby next to window, and that they dont actually have to be outside in direct sunlight, is vitamin d different?

six year olds dont need to modestly dressed, but some like to wear it?

alsmutko · 10/10/2011 18:26

My friend who works with women's aid says some women wear face coverings to avoid attention or being recognised by abusive family members. Could therefore cause problems for them if they weren't allowed to do so.

I do worry about their bones, though. Lack of vitamin D is a serious problem. And don't get me started on the little girls wearing hijabs! WHY are they doing this? Why does a six-year old (but only female six year olds natch) need to be 'modestly dressed'?

tabulahrasa · 10/10/2011 16:53

Well it depends massively on why they're being worn, surely? Whether it's completely free choice, cultural conformity or actually having to wear it, they're all going to be different and within those it's going to be different as well?

DarlingDuck · 10/10/2011 16:48

I don't really know how I feel about it tbh. I would say sunshineandbooks wrote a really good post.

Having never had to wear one I don't know, I imagine there are women who have to and don't want to and others who quite enjoy wearing one.

I just wondered what people who knew more about it thought.

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nailak · 10/10/2011 16:43

sunshine, it is an interesting point you make, and i am wondering if you believe taht in any society that "world where education allows women the freedom to make a true choice exists"

as those who wear niqaab often go against their families wishes and culture? and often offend their family?

and this point can obviously also be related to the pressure to follow fashion etc

ChickensHaveNoEyebrows · 10/10/2011 16:42

My thoughts exactly, SGM

StewieGriffinsMom · 10/10/2011 16:39

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nailak · 10/10/2011 16:36

not again......

sunshineandbooks · 10/10/2011 16:26

I hate threads on this subject. It's so hard to express an opinion that phrased in the right way to avoid being offensive.

I am sympathetic to the view that telling women that they shouldn't wear something is not really that different from telling them that they should. It can also be dismissive to assume that people who do wear these items are poor, downtrodden victims.

However, any difference in appearance that is based on anything other than biology, always makes me suspicious. How come men don't wear modest clothing that is as restrictive as a burqa, or high heels and makeup for that matter?

Striking the right balance between personal choice and true liberty is tricky. The best way is not to have rules about it but to try to create a world where education allows women the freedom to make a true choice (rather than a culturally dominated one).

Rivenwithoutabingle · 10/10/2011 16:20

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HoneyPablo · 10/10/2011 16:17

From the experience I had of having to wear an abaya when I visited Saudi Arabia and the women that I saw wearing full burqas whilst there, I consider them to be oppressive.
I did not feel comfortable wearing the abaya as it was not something I had chosen to wear but had to wear to comply with the Saudi customs.

KRITIQ · 10/10/2011 16:06

I don't wear these garments, so I don't have any personal experience of whether they felt liberating or oppressive.

I suppose it would be best to ask a person who does.

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