Facebook supports rape?

SGM, it's what was said in the original article:

What Facebook and others who defend this pernicious hate speech don't seem to get is that rapists don't rape because they're somehow evil or perverted or in any way particularly different from than the average man in the street: rapists rape because they can. Rapists rape because they know the odds are stacked in their favour, because they know the chances are they'll get away with it.

If rapists rape because they can, and they are not any way different from than the average man in the street, the implication is that the average man in the street who hasn't raped anyone, has not done so because he can't, i.e. because he has never had the opportunity.

That's where the weakness lies in CE's article.

Right.

Have. I. Told. You. That. Your . Opinion. Does. Not. Count?

I have said that I DID study forensic psychology but am NOT now.
I have NOT said that I am an expert in this field and I do believe I have said that some of my posts were my opinion, based no doubt on what I have learnt.

I have NOT given assumptions about victims of rape.
I have NOT said they were easy to spot - I actually said the opposite.

Clearly my posts are not being read so why should I continue to read snippets of what I have not posted for the benefit of your own argument?

And where did I said END OF?
Where?

Aye now you are being offensive.

Hmm, I think it is all descending now in a shouting match. Just to bring some perspective of where I am coming from. I was gang raped (including anal penetration) by three ordinary looking men when I was 19. I was also saved by an ordinary looking man when I run to his house for help (clothed but shaken and crying). He gave me tea and then drove me home. I would not be able to point these four people from a crowd because they all looked exactly on the same scale of 'ordinary'. I would not like to ever mix them up though.

My best friend was raped the same very week by a uni mate that spiked her drink. Neither of us reported these crimes and i never told my parents. I had an abortion after that night (this was also my first time to have sex). I was not able to conceive until 20 years later when i mc. Then I gave birth to another baby who died aged 3 weeks. All these events obviously had a profound effect on my life.

I will go away now, because I really do not want to be told that I am "shifting the focus somewhat so that the onus is easily put on women to avoid being alone with these easily identified men". What utter rubbish.

I did not like CE demonizing my loving and carering dh and all other men who are incapable of rape yet lumped with rapists courtesy of CE and the Guardian.

Rhubarb you have told me that rapists are like x, y and z, black and white, these are their personality traits. How they behave socially and in private, in very direct terms.

I said that is not true, they are not all like that.

You said you are a forensic psychologist and so you are right.

My opinion is not just an opinion though, it is a fact. Not all rapists are like you describe. How can you even argue that they are? Obviously not everyone who commits a crime will have identical traits motivations etc. It's just obvious.

Obviously, SQ, those women haven't been raped then... Well, not in rhubarb's eyes...

I just can't believe that you are saying, you are en expert in this field, rapists are like this, this and this, full stop.

What of all the women who have been raped by men who aren't like this, this and this?

They sound pretty easy to spot, so how can it be explained that women keep getting raped? Are they just a bit thick?

Theala, that wasn't the point Elliot was making at all.

If you're doing forensic psychology then presumably you are studying people who have been caught.

The vast majority of rapes are never reported.

SQ - have I told you that your voice, your opinion does not count in any way at all on this debate? Because if I have I will gladly piss off.

I think it's equally as offensive to suggest that all men are potential rapists, and that the ones that have never raped anybody have only not done so because they didn't have the opportunity, tbh.

Rhubarb so your genuine contention is that:

"Rapists do not rape because they can. They rape because they are socially disfunctional (does that sit better?) and cannot perform unless they feel in control and powerful. "

"I didn't just mean in the bedroom SQ - I meant in life. Rapists dominate women and use them to satisfy their own needs. Therefore in life rapists are usually social wankers who like to feel powerful."

"Rapists are social wankers who usually take advantage of other situations. "

Full stop.

SGM has every right to rage at you, rhubarb. The only reason I'm refraining from doing so is to refrain from making this personal and upsetting myself, let alone anyone else.

I'm not raging at you.

And SGM can say what she likes and has a perfectly valid point. It is not right to start hazarding guesses about people's histories and then patronise them. All the while talking absolute rubbish about "What rapists are like" as if they are facts when they aren't.

Well, I think it's marvelous that these men are so easily identified. I trust that we will now see this evidence presented in trials and we will see a massive increase in convictions.

I do actually understand what you are saying Rhubarb et al. I just think that the extensive "othering" that you are doing is playing into the hands of those that want to believe that rapists are terrible ogres who violently rape women in amongst a day full of general anti-social behaviour. Not to mention shifting the focus somewhat so that the onus is easily put on women to avoid being alone with these easily identified men.

I know because I studied forensic psychology SQ.
I read interviews of rapists and paedos. I did assignments on the psychological make-up of rapists and paedos. I studied the Jamie Bulger case amongst others. I gave up forensic psychology because I couldn't hack it.

My knowledge might be rusty, but these are not ponderings. They are the things I learnt.

I apologise if I upset you. I shall withdraw only because I feel you would prefer me to do so.

Because society teaches men to assume consent and entitlement.

Simple as.

"She's my wife? I'm entitled"
"I bought her dinner? I'm entitled"
"I helped her out of this situation? I'm entitled"

Like others have said, men will say they wouldn't ever rape someone, yet can find a number of situations where they assume it's acceptable.

Jamma, I don't think using your athens would be "abusing" the account at all... Where would you get that idea? If you can find the original study (not quoted) online, then go ahead. But if you have access to information, why refrain from using it? I'd just reference it.

Rhubarb these are the things you have said

""Rapists do not rape because they can. They rape because they are socially disfunctional (does that sit better?) and cannot perform unless they feel in control and powerful. "

"I didn't just mean in the bedroom SQ - I meant in life. Rapists dominate women and use them to satisfy their own needs. Therefore in life rapists are usually social wankers who like to feel powerful."

"Rapists are social wankers who usually take advantage of other situations. "

You keep repeating this stuff and you don't say where you're getting it from, and when I ask you what you men you change the subject and get aggressive.

You keep saying "rapists are like this" and how do you know? Then you say "oh well they don't have a sign around their necks" but the things you mention would be a huge sign around their neck. But loads of women are raped by men who aren't like you describe at all. Why won't you have that? What about those women - what about them? What message are you giving to them?

jamma and bemybebe - spot on. But lost on this thread.

I studied forensic psychology.

But obviously you are all right and I am wrong. So I shall piss off and leave you to your assumptions about men.

bemybebe but the vast majority of rapists are acquaintance rapists.