Facebook supports rape?

No bemybebe, they don't read the posts, that's my point.

If you carry on this thread then you're braver than I.

I am not talking about a certain cohort - every criminal has certain characteristics, however if you are mugged does that make it your fault? Acquaintance rapists are very good at putting on the 'normal act'.

I'm fucking off to watch my son in a play. If you are going to insult me, please will you have the decency to read my posts which you are clearly not doing. Otherwise I wouldn't have to keep saying that I am NOT currently studying etc etc.

All you are doing is detracting from the debate, if you want to have a go at me then do so on the PM option and let this debate get back to the original point.

If you disagree with me then you disagree. Fair enough. Just because I disagree does not mean that I think you are thick or irrational or anything else. I like to think I can disagree without getting personal. I apologised for upsetting you and will do so again. However this is a debate and these are my opinions backed up only by my learnings.

Yes, I read it. It's victim blaming by boast,... "I've studied this, so I know what to look out for. You didn't. Hence why you got raped."

Exactly how my mind read it.

Ok, I give up.

It must be a very sad world when 50% of inhabitants are potential rapists.

• implicate - meant "imply."

(multi tasking failure again!) :)

It's a rhetorical question, by the way.

"is that it's gthe victim's fault for not noticing these characteristics"
Dont you read it?? "Yet with all criminals they do tend to have certain characteristics that are not generally noticeable by everyone but nonetheless are there. "

Like this

"Yet with all criminals they do tend to have certain characteristics that are not generally noticeable by everyone but nonetheless are there"

Do they?

Does someone who murders a policeman share traits with someone who steals to fund a drug habit and share traits with someone who uses a mobile phone while driving and share traits with someone who takes an ecstacy tablet at the weekend and share traits with someone who evades their tax????

Can I just add to the mix that my DH doesn't feel personally affronted by the idea that ordinary guys who look like him, do jobs like him, have hobbies like him, live in the same city as him, etc. can be rapists.

I'm a visibly white person. I don't get my panties in a bunch if someone says that white people are racist. I don't insist that all their arguments about racism are invalid because their words might implicate that a decent white person like me might be racist. Even if I'm not racist, I feel I still have the responsibility to challenge racist words and behaviours in other white people. By ignoring comments or laughing at racist jokes, surely I am enabling others to carry on with racist words and behaviour with impunity.

Shouldn't the same apply to men with regard to sexism, rape and violence against women in general?

So WHY did you say "rapists are like this" when you were talking about stranger rapists who you learnt about on a course some years ago?

Why not be upfront that you were only talking about a certain cohort and your knowledge may be out of date?

And why do you still, even when trying to look as if you are being mollifying, add in "Yet with all criminals they do tend to have certain characteristics that are not generally noticeable by everyone but nonetheless are there. " which amount to you saying "I AM RIGHT" and still leaves a hint that the men are all as you say after all?

Sooooo... What you're saying at 14:07, rhubarb, is that it's gthe victim's fault for not noticing these characteristics.

Oh and I did apologise for saying anything which upset you.

SQ - It is what I was taught on my course. If you google psychological rapist profile you will find similar answers. However stranger rapes are very different to marital rapes and drunk rapes different to violent rapes.

Yet with all criminals they do tend to have certain characteristics that are not generally noticeable by everyone but nonetheless are there.

I hope that answers your point.

Rhubarb would you consider apologising or at least retracting your quotes that you made earlier? They are really problematical, and if you didn't mean them it would be much better if you said so than just flouncing off.

"Well I could shout about my own feelings right now, but this thread appears to be dominated by how everyone feels which is getting in the way of the debate, such as it is. How easy it is to pick apart a post instead of arguing a logical debate."

So because I feel upset I am being illogical?

I asked you if you could see why I had read your posts in the way I had and you didn't respond. You have repeatedly posted "rapists are like this" and listed quite spottable traits and ignored over and over again the fact that women who have been raped my men who are not like you describe might take issue with your ideas. Sorry not your ideas, the proven facts of a forensic psychologist.

I'm very close to conceeding that you're right, Dont, except that the " or in any way particularly different from than the average man in the street" bit still jars with me.

Theala and others who are debating this - well done. I agree completely. Shame that is lost in the picking apart of my particular posts.

Once more, I am NOT a forensic psychologist, I STUDIED it as part of my degree years ago. If you read my posts you might not be so quick to jump to conclusions.

I'll piss off anyway because I get the impression that it is easier to pick apart what I am posting rather than answer the very pertinent points put across by Theala, bemybebe and others. Which is perhaps why they are doing it, because their argument is flawed.

Rhubrarb you have not addressed the points in my posts at all.

You said these things

"Rapists do not rape because they can. They rape because they are socially disfunctional (does that sit better?) and cannot perform unless they feel in control and powerful. "

"I didn't just mean in the bedroom SQ - I meant in life. Rapists dominate women and use them to satisfy their own needs. Therefore in life rapists are usually social wankers who like to feel powerful."

"Rapists are social wankers who usually take advantage of other situations. "

And when I asked where you got them from you said you had studied forensic psychology. There is no room that I can see in those statements for other sorts of people, it is all very black and white. Where does it leave people who are raped by people who are not as described in the above quotes? High and dry is where it leaves them.

Yes, rapists rape becuse they can. Not the average man.

All rapists are (or have the potential to be) the average man.

Not all Average Men are rapists.

You're confusing what CE has said. It's the old "if every x is y, does that mean every y is also x?" argument.

Jamma, just a quick query related to your post of Wed 05-Oct-11 13:34:08 -

You cited evidence showing that "stranger rapists" (the least common types,) demonstrate a range of identifiable characteristics that can be used to mark out those with a propensity to rape and/or are likely to have raped.

You also say, "even with aquaintence rapists, there is evidence that the offenders (generally) exhibit traits that not easily associated with (sigh) average men in the street."

What would be interesting is to have a list of the traits that "acquaintance rapists" exhibit and see how these stack up against characteristics that are considered within the "normal" range for men. Is there any way you can provide these?

Thanks.