Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Facebook supports rape?

908 replies

MotherPanda · 04/10/2011 13:53

Have we a thread on this yet?

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/04/facebook-hate-speech-women-rape?newsfeed=true

I am really shocked.

OP posts:
doclatter · 06/10/2011 17:23

It's perfectly relevant to the thread. I'm not throwing a "what about teh menz" into this, just that it does happen and genuine victims could feel insulted. Lyers should be punished too

Uppity · 06/10/2011 17:22

That sounds about right SGM

Uppity · 06/10/2011 17:21

Find your own links

Uppity · 06/10/2011 17:20

But you're adding something that hasn't been discussed AFAIK and isn't a main part of the thread.

It's like me adding: "and the dissolution of the monasteries by Henry VIII, led to the establishment of the Poor Laws under Elizabeth".

It may be true. But it's not actually relevant to this thread, is it?

doclatter · 06/10/2011 17:20

Send me a link to those that lie about being rapists, like material to read. This sounds interesting

StewieGriffinsMom · 06/10/2011 17:20

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

doclatter · 06/10/2011 17:19

Nope, never said that. Just that it happens, some women do lie about it and they should be punished too

StewieGriffinsMom · 06/10/2011 17:18

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Uppity · 06/10/2011 17:17

Except of course, to remind us all that women lying about rape, is much more important than women being raped or Facebook supporting hatespeak against women.

doclatter · 06/10/2011 17:17

just adding to Lenin's point there uppity

Uppity · 06/10/2011 17:16

And what the fuck does lying about rape have to do with this thread?

doclatter · 06/10/2011 17:15

Lying about rape is also wrong and insults those who actually have been raped (even if it is in the 2% - 8% category)

StewieGriffinsMom · 06/10/2011 17:15

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Uppity · 06/10/2011 17:14

And overall...
Facebook supports rape culture

StewieGriffinsMom · 06/10/2011 17:13

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

LeninGrad · 06/10/2011 17:11

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

MotherPanda · 06/10/2011 17:06

Thank you for the blog uppity - It really raises a lot of interesting points about female and male conditioning.

OP posts:
Uppity · 06/10/2011 16:59

a bit about no

Hullygully · 06/10/2011 16:56

Ok

I thought the Grauniad article on Iceland yesterday/day before was v interesting. The women there have done tremendous work and are now working on changing the culture around sexual violence.

Uppity · 06/10/2011 16:55

Wamster lots of rapes don't involve the word "NO".

MotherPanda · 06/10/2011 16:54

Hully - I'm not sure any of us can answer you.

OP posts:
MotherPanda · 06/10/2011 16:52

but not all rapes have people screaming/saying 'no'. What has got me thinking is the rapes that occur when one partner helps themselves whilst the other is sleeping. To me that's more about desire than control.

And the rapes where people don't realise they were raped till 20 years later. They wern't violent events, just as awful and violating - but seem to have confused motives.

Of course, i'm not saying desire is an excuse.

OP posts:
Uppity · 06/10/2011 16:52

Well I think everyone's potentially capable of rape in the same way that I think everyone's potentially capable of murder.

But I guess it's only a theoretical capability as opposed to a practical one. I don't know if there are circumstances where you can be absolutely definitive about what the circumstances are that lead someone to rape/ murder.

Hullygully · 06/10/2011 16:50

What does it all mean then?

I have read the whole thread but couldn't say with any certainty what it all means at all

wamster · 06/10/2011 16:48

I don't think that everybody is capable of rape at all. I don't link it to sexual desire, either, surely having somebody tell you : 'no, please stop, really, I don't want it' is going to kill that desire stone dead? Unless they get off on another's pain- in which case, they are likely to rape. Ultimately, it is about controlling the other person. My needs are more important than yours. That's the attitude.

A man who is not a rapist may very well feel peeved and disappointed that the woman who has been coming on to him all night doesn't follow through, I wouldn't necessarily blame him his disappointment but, ultimately, if he has as a core belief that other people's bodies don't belong to him he will respect the word: 'no'.

I'm not going to pretend here that a man who is told no at the last minute is going to be over the moon about it-who isn't disappointed about not getting their leg over with somebody they desire?- but that doesn't mean he is going to rape and thwarted desire is not a reason nor an excuse.