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Facebook supports rape?

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MotherPanda · 04/10/2011 13:53

Have we a thread on this yet?

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/04/facebook-hate-speech-women-rape?newsfeed=true

I am really shocked.

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DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 09/10/2011 10:45

Yep, I knew there was a reason I hated those damned feminists. Such bullies.

Grin

Re-read the thread. And take your rhubarb tinted glasses off, dear.

EllaDee · 09/10/2011 10:34

Wow, you gleaned all that knowledge from your single post on MN?!

You must be one of those mythical lurkers we've heard about.

Allow me to lead you into the light, my dear. There are some very friendly threads on Feminism.

mrstoon · 09/10/2011 10:26

It's actually quite funny. Feminists here are happy to bully anyone from behind a keyboard because you have a different POV, yet hate being bullied by the patriarchy. Weird stuff methinks

Tortington · 09/10/2011 00:08

thank you for the apology.

not often done on mn and warmly welcomed thank you

Tortington · 09/10/2011 00:07

i think posting that there is a disparity is fair comment. i have never suggested or intimated that anyone without a certain longevity is not entitled to an opinion.

Prolesworth · 09/10/2011 00:04

I'm sorry if I've upset you, and yes, the wisecrack about having a beer was out of line.

Posting that the MN feminists are bullies and aren't proper feminists if they're too chicken to take on the regulars (do you think we're all newbies on here? I've been here as long as you ffs) isn't very kind either is it though? Or do you think posting that sort of stuff is fair comment?

Tortington · 09/10/2011 00:00

proles you are just being unkind at this point.

Uppity · 08/10/2011 23:55

Actually I didn't think people did think that or were saying that, wolfperson (sorry you're name is too long for me to cope with)

My gut response to that, was simply that the characteristics she described were a) wrong and b) irrelevant because even if they were right (which I'm not sure of) they were only referring to a tiny number of rapists who are not the major problem for women -the major problem is the "ordinary" type ones, which is what the original article was about.

and dare I say it, Rhubarb did post in a very authoritative fashion which brooked no argument from people who said her characteristics were wrong. And it all got very entrenched and defensive. Sad

The thing is, if you come on here and post in a very combative fashion and are actually posting factually incorrect things, you surely have no right to be surprised or feel hard done by, when people post back in the same tone. It's kind of inevitable.

Prolesworth · 08/10/2011 23:53

If you dish shit out don't be surprised when it gets chucked right back at you.

giyadas · 08/10/2011 23:53

post before last post, custardo, I can't keep up

giyadas · 08/10/2011 23:52

Confused No, I didn't see anything to warrant your reaction, neither did I see anything to warrant your last post. I wasn't trying to win anything, and I haven't done anything to hound you away, in fact I expressed how much I liked your other posts. But you've ignored every olive branch, why?

LeBOF · 08/10/2011 23:49

I really hope that in the cold light of day, something can be salvaged from this. I suspect that right now is not the time though, but I'm sure nobody wants to leave it at this pointless hostility. I know I don't.

Tortington · 08/10/2011 23:49

yes actually proles. yes. calling someone names is bullying its bulying when you are 3 years old and it is when your 40 and just becuase you don't think so doens.t make it so.

you called me drunk - reducing my opinion. i have been called other things - and finally now im threatening.

but no, becuase you all say so, thats ok, nothing happening here, custy is deluded, pissed up, irrational - maybe its her time of the month or somethng, shit is it a full moon?

Uppity · 08/10/2011 23:48

No one is trying to bully you into not posting.

It would be nice if you didn't come and try and lay the law down though and had as much consideration for other people's feelings as you expect them to have for your's.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 08/10/2011 23:48

Well - this is a very long thread, so it may be I have forgotten a post - but as far as I was aware, no-one had said that rapists had noticeable characteristics, ones that people should be able to see, so they should know to steer clear of them. Rhubarb said that there are definable characteristics, but being able do define something doesn't mean you can see it from the outside. I suffer from depression - it is a definable characteristic, but you can't tell by looking at me that I suffer depression.

My impression is that people saw the mentions of definable characteristics, and decided that this meant 'definable and visible and if you didn't see them then being raped is your own fault' - which Rhubarb has said clearly isn't what she meant or what she believes, and then Rhubarb was leapt on for that mistaken belief.

Also, fwiw, I'm not Rhubarb's friend, and I think it is wrong to accuse someone of disbelieving rape victims and being a rape apologist. I know that no-one has used the exact phrase, 'You, Rhubarb, are a rape apologist' - she has read the comments aimed at her, and has read between the lines, in exactly the same way that others have read between the lines of her statements, and decided she believes rapists have visible characteristics that should ring alarm bells for women.

Tortington · 08/10/2011 23:46

dont worry only a face n a screen and all that. the threatening custy.

wow glad you dont see anything to warrent my reaction makes it ok then - my reaction must be... not normal - what with the reductive reasoning behind her answers - custy threatens people now.

its ok feminists you win - you absolutley win. you only want to hear your view - i;m really really upset.

so you win, i didn't think i could be hounded from anywhere. but i am. and you can pat yourselves on the back at your good deed.

giyadas · 08/10/2011 23:41

But BOF's post ^^ up there just said why can't we agree to differ?

Prolesworth · 08/10/2011 23:41

Rocking up and calling us all bullies is "disagreeing" is it? Saying we're not proper feminists because we're too chicken to 'take on the regulars' is just offering another opinion is it?

StewieGriffinsMom · 08/10/2011 23:39

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Tortington · 08/10/2011 23:38

its like you simply cannot disagree on this topic.

now from reductive - like custy is pissed or something to custy is threatening?

truly truly upset about this and really how dare you. how dare you suggest that.

i have always been of the mind that no-one will bully me into not posting. have just deleted a huge post to that effect - that i wont post anymore. but i refuse

you wont bully me into not posting. you are being very unfair now. very unfair. god im so upset

LeBOF · 08/10/2011 23:36

The post is still there. It's a bit ambiguous, but hopefully Custy can clarify that she is not intending to continue a row there. Can we not do the virtual equivalent of shaking hands and agreeing to differ? Nobody needs this.

StewieGriffinsMom · 08/10/2011 23:36

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giyadas · 08/10/2011 23:36

why be like that Custardo? Nothing I've read warrants your reaction

Tortington · 08/10/2011 23:33

right really upset now cheers

StewieGriffinsMom · 08/10/2011 23:31

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