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Why is the image of women as the guardians of male morality still so pervasive?

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Bramshott · 02/10/2011 11:52

"A letter to" in yesterday's Guardian here started me wondering why in this day and age, the view of women as the guardians of men's morals is still SO widespread? You see it on here on the relationships pages all the time - the idea that husbands can be 'stolen' and that its the OW who has betrayed the marriage much more than the husband - the idea that men are always going to cheat and it's up to women to stop them, whether that's the wife who should have "nipped this in the bud" or "put her foot down earlier", or the OW who should have not been available.

Clearly the letter is written by someone who has been betrayed and is very hurt, but IMHO saying "Men couldn't cheat if there was no one to cheat with" is just one step away from teaching abstinence to girls only in schools - making women always responsible for morality rather than putting the onus on men to behave better, and blaming them when they don't.

Thoughts?

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Bramshott · 02/10/2011 12:56

It is interesting as well as infuriating though isn't it - because otherwise sensible women who probably have no time for rape myths often subscribe to this sort of sentiment without realising that it's the same thing.

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Catslikehats · 02/10/2011 12:46

"men are more sexually driven than women" is a ridiculous assertion and tied into the idea that sex is dirty/wrong and not for the enjoyment of women.

I understand that the woman writing that letter is doing so out of pain but it strikes me as more than a little pathetic to be looking to the OW and not the person who ultimately betrayed her.

Deeply entrenched anti women sentiment and deeply depressing.

runoutofideasforanickname · 02/10/2011 12:45

Rivenina; It is true, it is proven, look it up, men are more sexually driven than women.

SinicalSal · 02/10/2011 12:43

I don't think it's morality per se, runoutof, but more applying the same standards, whatever they are, on both sexes.

yellowraincoat · 02/10/2011 12:41

I just don't believe that men are more sexual than women. I've been in relationships where I've been the more sexual one and relationships where my male partner has been.

I hate hate hate this thing where women who've been cheated on blame the other woman. The other woman owes you NOTHING, unless she is a friend/colleague.

OneHandFlapping · 02/10/2011 12:40

SardineQueen, I think you've just put your finger on the source of the "oh she was asking for it" myths. It's just the other side of the coin of women as guardians of sexuality.

runoutofideasforanickname · 02/10/2011 12:38

So what we are talking about is morality itself and of how to instill it in society as a whole, would it help if there were more moralistic tv shows, newspapers and media content. Yes it would but you can you put the genie back ino the lamp? So where does that leave us? Moralist education in schools and at home most certainly, but your up against it when you try to instill moral values in your child when all around all they see is contradictions.

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Bramshott · 02/10/2011 12:33

"men are more sexually driven than women" - you see I just don't believe that's true runoutof. It's just a 'get out of jail free card' for men who can blame 'biological urges' for their bad behaviour, and an neat excuse to castigate women and make them feel it's all their fault and if only they had been 'more pure' everything would be okay.

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Riveninabingle · 02/10/2011 12:32

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SardineQueen · 02/10/2011 12:28

Of course men should be allowed to do anything they like, and if they do something wrong it is the fault of the woman.

Didn't you know that?!!

It's the same as the rape myths isn't it. Oh it's her fault she led him on she had a short skirt on blah blah

Horrible pervasive entrenched stuff, and so damaging.

sportsfanatic · 02/10/2011 12:25

It's the old double standard isn't it?

SinicalSal · 02/10/2011 12:20

In answer to your question Bramshott, I suspect it's because:
It's a dirty job (imposing some sort of order on the messy business of sexuality, and all that goes with it, inheritance etc) so somebody's got to do it.
And that somebody should be the somebody who is in the sex class anyway.
Sex is nice and it wouldn't be fair if men had to impose limits on themselves and make themselves feel guilty over something that is so life enhancing and neccessary and a mark of virility and strength.

SinicalSal · 02/10/2011 12:15

No that is not true Runoutofideas, both men and women are 'hardwired to reproduce' and also to have sex for it's own sake. It's society that's telling us that it's ok for men to follow their urges but not women. It's very deeply ingrained but it's not innate.

runoutofideasforanickname · 02/10/2011 12:07

Women are the gate keeper's of their own sexual morality. Men are designed to fornicate and reproduce and if there's an open gate !! That's not an excuse for men to act immorally but nature determines that men are more sexually driven than women and it therefore takes them more effort to resist temptation.