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I am in a state of feminist rage

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EllieG · 15/09/2011 09:47

...because of stupid reports about working mothers (because fathers clearly have NOTHING to do with it) and sexist DV t-shirts from Topman and then having a conversation with one of the secretaries from work which went like:

Her - 'I think that women who just keep popping out babies to get housing off the state should be given no help' (Me - does anyone actually really do that? I think the Daily Mail just makes it up personally) and then she said 'I think it's wrong when a parent (but she meant mother) doesn't stay at home for the child's first 2 years having a career is selfish'. We were discussing a working single Mum who wants to go on secondment to another city for a bit and take her little child with her (thereby disrupting him for a bit) because - heavens above! - she has said she needs to do this for her career which is quite important in terms of providing for her child's future needs as her feckless ex (who does not agree and is using court to block her move) doesn't give them anything and she is the one who will have to pay for everything and she wants to be able to, and, even worse - She Likes Her Job. Awful, awful woman.

So it's OK to be a single mother if you -

a - just have one
b - provide for it yourself and have no state help (if you have state help are a feckless sponger who should Go Out And Get A Job)
c - don't try and have a proper career though, that is very bad. Especially if you might be quite good at it and enjoy it and might be trying to earn lots of money because then you are hard-nosed career woman who should have child taken away because you are going against you inner motherly nature.

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NormaStanleyFletcher · 17/09/2011 12:39

Also the scenario Kerry presents is pretty extreme isn't it? I know plenty of working couples and none of them don't see the kids at thebeginning it end of the day.

I don't see mine in the morning, but I really am not losing quality time with them (so dh gets to deal with all the lagging moaning and searching for lost books socks and homework )

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Yama · 17/09/2011 12:37

I witnessed my Mum's mental health suffer when she had to stay at home. We were all so much happier when she worked.

So I disagree with Kerry. Being prescriptive about other people's lives is not fair.

garlicnutty · 17/09/2011 12:36

Ouch! :(

You say I honestly try not to judge but you are doing! Confused When you talk about what people "should" do with their personal lives, you're judging and saying you know better than them ...

As you say, we all make our own choices. So surely it's worth discussing how those choices can best be made, rather than telling everyone they should make the same choice as you?!

kerrymumbles · 17/09/2011 12:32

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garlicnutty · 17/09/2011 12:29

You are "bashing", Kerry, because you're prescribing ONE LIFESTYLE ONLY for EVERYONE who has children.

Btw, how's the sore nose?

garlicnutty · 17/09/2011 12:27

I don't understand how anyone can argue the best case scenario is an absent parent

You should have seen my parents Hmm

garlicnutty · 17/09/2011 12:25

No, you don't have to have a feminist viewpoint to post here - imo, though there's yet another long thread about that going on right now Wink

I disagree that thre's one 'right' way for all. "Passed off to hired help" can mean given full-time, professional care by people who actually know what they're doing. It's ridiculous to suggest that biological parents are always best for the job.

I was a nanny - before you accuse me of bias, I'm telling you this because I do have experience of full-time childcare and I quit because I found it boring in the long term. If I'd had DC, I would have made a well-informed choice to get them brought up by a professional while I did my out-of-home job.

kerrymumbles · 17/09/2011 12:25

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swallowedAfly · 17/09/2011 12:23

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motherinferior · 17/09/2011 12:20

I seriously do not think it is in children's best interests to have a SAHP who hates being a SAHP. I would much, much rather my mum had worked and my parents had taken joint responsibility for sorting out nice childcare.

swallowedAfly · 17/09/2011 12:20

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garlicnutty · 17/09/2011 12:01

SAF's reply was nicer :)

garlicnutty · 17/09/2011 12:00

I wonder whose bed those kids climb into when they wake up at night, Kerry. And who they go on holiday with, spend Christmas with, and who will fund their further education.

swallowedAfly · 17/09/2011 11:57

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BelleDameSansMerci · 17/09/2011 11:39

Actually, saf, I'm a working single mother - what time can I drop DD off? Grin

BelleDameSansMerci · 17/09/2011 11:38

Is she jealous of women who have achieved more in their careers? I'm afraid I would be very condescending towards her (despite her obviously having a good job).