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OFGS - get over the fact a man wants to be here

Why, why why can't you see each person for each post? This section is laughable now. It's all poor me, poor me.

Some people say sexist things but just being male doesn't equal automatic sexist. Edd I'm meh about but from what I've seen of Bob - I haven't seen any blatant trolling or sexism. He was rounded on from his first set of posts (about extremely distressing situation) and from then on he can't say anything without being pounced on. I can see why he stays here and is arguing, many give up when the feminists pounced - you all just want him to shut up and leave, the same as many others that came before him

And to have a go at Hully/reality, for discussing why the feminist section can be offputting is crazy - all a few people wanted was to be heard occasionally and not put down constantly. Can people really not see that the behaviour of some is stopping other feminists joining and having their say?

I wished dittany love.

still do.

hate to see anyone unhappy.

make of that what you will. you will anyway.

I don't want a discussion either. We wouldn't be having one had you not talked about me in my absence upthread.

Oh please Hully. Dittany knows that she is abrasive, she has said so many times. In answer, I refer you back to SGB's post about people who poo their pants when someone disagrees with them.

I read a post by you where you were very unpleasant about dittany and made a very personal comment about her personal happiness. It was unacceptable.

I don't really want a he said/she said discussion about all this - it feels weird to be discussing dittany when she is not actually here.

Lots of people take offence because dittany uncompromisingly points out that they have forgotten to remove their patriarchy blinkers. Well that is hardly a surprise - people don't like robust radical feminism.

The long numerous threads of people picking dittany apart were a fucking disgrace.

Well, she's gone, so it is one up for the people who crap themselves when they come across feminism in a feminist board and nil to feminism. Result eh?

"Irony overload ...Irony overload..."
"Cannot compute..."

LRD you are my heroine

I'm ignoring this whole thread because it stopped being about me

Ultimately, it is unlikely to be resolved, unfortunately.

That's why I suggested yesterday that simple politeness should be the way forward.

I would answer, tethers, but I'm ignoring you.

Wamster et al. Do you think white people should set the agenda for discussion spaces in which black people wish to discuss race issues?

Or do you think they should STFU and listen and respect and accept that they don't know where black people are coming from because they have never experienced life as a black person in a white supremacy?

Well it is a similar argument being made WRT men in feminist discussions.

The argument that feminists saying 'um, please could you respect our discussion space' is somehow similar to centuries of male supremacy is very very stupid.

Can we please, for the love of all that is sane, have a sticky explaining what it means to be part of a 'privileged group' or a member of the 'non-privileged group'.

Beach, I am not treating her thus, it's how she comes across to me.

All of the by now infamous threads arose out of women on mn feeling pushed off the fem boards, bullied, and patronised. I thought that was a shame and counterproductive and tried to engage with the issue.

There was a complete refusal to hear or engage with it, from most people, instead of the issue being considered, it was taken as a personal attack. That, to me, is evidence of a victim mentality.

In the real world if 500 people say XYZ, really you kind of have to think about why they are saying that, open your heart and mind and really look at it, not just say poor me, I'm being hounded.

Hully do you not see that it is mean to treat dittany as someone with a victim mentality. And not a little ridiculous.

Ignore who?

Best thing going forwards is just to ignore ignore ignore ignore I think.

Thanks slug, can anyone suggest any other MRA free troll free good feminist forums?

It's great that another thread has been taken over by men explaining why feminiss are mean

'Important to shut up in woman's spaces'- really? Presumably, then, women should just 'shut up' in/on men's spaces?

Women -and men- should not be expected to 'shut up' on account of their gender. How can feminism be taken seriously if it tells men to do exactly what men have told women to do for years? It doesn't make things more balanced or fair; an eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.

The attitude should be to treat everybody (male and female) with respect, not tell them to 'shut up'.

One of the reasons I love this blog so much is because these rules are stricly enforced

Oh the madness of it all.

Yes, Beach, I am going to defend myself.

On those threads of which you speak, and of which were spoken yesterday:

Oh never mind, I'm losing the will to live.

whatever dittany does or doesn't do, whether she goes or stays or whatever, she'll always be the victim in her mind and some others'.

But I wasn't unpleasant to her, never have been. i tried only to get her to understand why loads of women felt driven out of feminism and how counterproductive that was.

She of course has never been anything but sweet and delightful to all.

The thing is, I don't think some of the men here get that the level of discourse is higher than everyday pointing out what sexism is. HAving to engage with a lower level of awareness and consciousness is wearing, and yes, sometimes people are going to get patronised.

My particular field of expertise is language and literature. If I were on a forum for academics, I would be pretty bored and annoyed to have to explain to each and every newcomer what the nucleus of a sentence is.

Bob, is it too much to ask that you accept LRDs explanation and just move on?

It's what grown ups do, whether male or female. Making her grovel by hugging your affront so tightly is, I am afraid, making it all about you and she clearly said it wasn't. She can't make her point any clearer. Let it go.

By refusing to accept her explanation means that no debate can continue. your response seems overly emotional and you might want to think about what button it pressed for you. For the rest of us following this thread is is rather dull to have to read your protestations that you KNOW she meant to be nasty, whatever she says. Its all a bit playground.

Bob I don't know exactly what you've said in the past here, but all you did in the post that LRD made a 'joke' about was say that you were good at computing. How this gives you 'male privilege' is anybody's guess as women are good at computing, too.

It gives you 'privilege' in the sense that you know what you are talking about when it comes to computers, but this privilege is something that women who know about computers also share and I suppose it gives you privilege over every (male and female) person who doesn't know about computers, but, wtf? Male privilege? No not seeing it.

Not a joke in my opinion and to be totally honest having been on the end of such gender-based 'jokes' only yesterday, it's really not that funny. 'Oh you are the woman you can cook'. Yep said to me yesterday. Hilarious.

Did you read the link yet?