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Motherhood, fatherhood - why do parents give ourself such different job descriptions as parents....

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Himalaya · 10/09/2011 15:16

.....when we would refuse to accept such a gendered division of responsibilities in any other walk of life?

I am trying to figure out how to frame this question right, without having the same old WOH vs SAH argument or getting into 'guilt tripping' about people's individual choices.

Feminism to me is in large part about equality of opportunity- getting rid of the assumption that someone should be better at something because they are male or female.

And yet becoming a mother or father shunts people into gender-defined roles. And the consensus seems to be that is ok, or that changing it is unrealistic.

Bringing up kids requires both supporting them financially and practically and emotionally. There are only 24 hours in the day so we have to make choices. There is no particular reason why a man should be better at the money earning bit and a woman at the caring bit (beyond breastfeeding).But most people still seem to voluntarily split their family responsibilities along traditional lines (either completely or partially) and many say they are happy that way.

Is that ok, or should it change, and if so how?

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LlydogenFawr · 10/09/2011 19:22

I work part time and took long maternity leave my DH wanted to work pt too but his work is not flexible. We are very clear that we both have work and mine includes a lot of the childcare because I work fewer hours outside the home. On top of that work we have housework, which we divide evenly (as we both hate it!) I find this is unusual as most people seem to assume that being at home / childcare automatically includes a lot of domestic drudgery, which is just wrong IMO. Obviously it's not always as harmonious as that sounds but that's the plan :-)

Snorbs · 10/09/2011 18:48

backtothedrawingboard, I think you're absolutely right. A SAHD often gets to make his own plan for what he's going to do and how he's going to do it. A SAHM has a template all mapped out for her and there can be a lot of subtle and unsubtle pressure if she decides she's going to do it differently.

backtothedrawingboard · 10/09/2011 18:04

There are far more men now staying at home but I wonder whether a SAHD is actually working to the same "job description" as a SAHM. In my experience men do not carry out the same tasks and have different views of what being at home entails. The gender differences only continue to exist in society because there are no role models or standard to follow when a man stays at home. Without a revised template to follow men and women have to make it up. This requires both parties to communicate fully, accept that they are creating a way of working which has to be committed to and be prepared to respect each persons viewpoints and work together. This is a lot to ask. So much easier to fall into stereotype!

nooka · 10/09/2011 17:34

I have always worked out of the home and dh has spent time at home (currently he is a full time SAHD). For us it's been an easy choice as I hate being at home (get very bored) and more importantly I have always earned more than dh. That's often the key factor. Particularly when women marry older men there is often a pay disparity. After maternity leave it's often seen as a choice about whether the woman goes back to work with childcare costs or stays at home with no costs. Short term economics often mean that there is sometimes a shortfall and few couples look at the whole family income when they make this choice. If the father earns more then him staying home just doesn't seem to come into the equation.

For me this wasn't the way I thought, but I didn't take a long maternity leave and never considered not going back to work. That we were worse off for a while we attributed to having children rather than to my choice IYSWIM. But I've found that viewpoint unusual, and of course we were in the lucky position where it didn't really matter that we had less money (as we had enough for all the essentials either way).

I do agree with you though, so long as you breastfeed there are different biological roles, but after that it doesn't really matter if you are the father or mother, you are both parents (and it is your personality and relationship with each child that determines how you do parent more than your gender IMO).

Himalaya · 10/09/2011 16:07

Sorry Grassisjeweled - I didn't mean the different names for different biological relationships, I meant why are our expectations of the roles that fathers and mothers play still so different? And does it matter?

Dittany - im not sure what you mean? I can see how in an age of arranged marriages, no contraception, marriage bars from work, no equal ops legislation etc... Women had little choice but accept traditional roles for mothers. But nowadays I'm not sure what you mean by 'no choice' in this context. People do make other choices to share parenting and WOH opportunities more equally e.g both work PT, to both work but not at pre-parenthood intensity, to have different years as SAHP over time etc...Some people make these choices, others choose more traditional roles. Is one voluntary and the other not?What is preventing people making voluntary choices in your view?

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dittany · 10/09/2011 15:42

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TheGrassIsJewelled · 10/09/2011 15:35

Isn't it the same word, with different genders, e.g. Brother/sister, aunt/uncle?