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"Honour killing"

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Greythorne · 07/09/2011 19:27

Even with quotation marks, I really loathe the use of "honour killing".

Talk about misuse of the word "honour"

www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/sep/07/shafilea-parents-arrested-suspected-honour-killing

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TheCrackFox · 09/09/2011 20:20

Oh, like this story on the front of my local paper. She had the temerity to have a new boyfriend.

StewieGriffinsMom · 09/09/2011 20:19

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Wamster · 09/09/2011 20:19

I just do not understand the logic, really I do not, in the hierarchy of patriarchal systems, the UK is probably the least oppressive to women as compared to other countries where the regime is definitely more oppressive to women, yet when a poster says that the UK is more civilised than these countries- which in the context of women's rights it most certainly is they get picked up on. It's ludicrous.

madam52 · 09/09/2011 20:18

But dont the newsreaders usually say 'so-called' honour killings. Unless they've dropped that of late which I dont think they should.

edd1337 · 09/09/2011 20:17

Ok lets try again

UK: A woman can have an affair and nothing much will happen
Bangladesh: A woman can have an affair and be whipped to death

See the difference?

StewieGriffinsMom · 09/09/2011 20:17

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dittany · 09/09/2011 20:17

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Wamster · 09/09/2011 20:14

edd1337 I agree that countries where honour killings do not occur (or occur on a much, much, much smaller scale) are more civilised than ones where honour killings occur.

StewieGriffinsMom · 09/09/2011 20:13

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TheCrackFox · 09/09/2011 20:12

Maybe you could explain further what you actually meant? In what way are we mor civilized in the UK?

edd1337 · 09/09/2011 20:12

Well crackfox, there ya go. There's consequences to some actions, unlike certain countries

Wamster · 09/09/2011 20:12

Sadly, Beachcomber, there will be a rise in honour killings it would be an inevitable reaction, wouldn't it? Once an abused party stands up against the abuser, the abuser ups the ante.

edd1337 · 09/09/2011 20:11

Nice accusation there SGM. You know exactly what I meant you just chose to twist my words

dittany · 09/09/2011 20:11

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TheCrackFox · 09/09/2011 20:11

There are facilities for violent men (prison) so there is no excuse in this day and age for men to be hitting women.

StewieGriffinsMom · 09/09/2011 20:10

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edd1337 · 09/09/2011 20:10

Fair point. In this day and age there's no excuse. In a country such as this there are facilities for women in violent relationships

Beachcomber · 09/09/2011 20:09

You know what Wamster - I linked to a document from Amnesty International that looked at this.

Do you know what it said?

It said that since the concept of women's rights have entered the country in question, and women have been challenging honour killings, there has been a rise in honour killings.

What do you want these women to do?

Would you put your life on the line, or the life of your sisters, against a culture that puts a price on your head? A low price?

Well then you go girlfriend and speak out in the traditional communities of India or Pakistan about women's rights. Just try not to victim blame or blame the women, before the men decide that you are dishonouring their culture will ya?

TheCrackFox · 09/09/2011 20:08

"She wouldn't have to be in a violent relationship if she chose not to be."

He could choose not to hit and abuse her in the first place. Why aren't these men making the right choices?

LRDTheFeministDragon · 09/09/2011 20:06

wamster - bottom line is, we were talking about a dead 17 year old woman.

Keeping on talking about how women do terrible things, and men are really only bystanders to the arranged marriage culture, is kind of missing the point ... that there is a dead 17 year old woman. Some people, you understand, would feel that a dead female child was reason enough to shut up about how blame-worthy women in general (including, presumably, her, had she been lucky enough to accept her family's insistence and grow up) are.

edd1337 · 09/09/2011 20:04

Wamster hit the nail on the head. The world isn't black and white, it's stupid to think so

IN reply to your earlier post. Wamster in in 1st world UK (I think) where we are more civilised. She wouldn't have to be in a violent relationship if she chose not to be

Wamster · 09/09/2011 20:03

Also, what have my comments about women doing wrong got to do with ending patriarchy? How are the two connected? I don't know how you can end patriarchy. Never said that I did. Confused

Wamster · 09/09/2011 20:02

dittany My opinion is that the majority of men and women are pretty selfish, inconsiderate human beings. I don't see things in black and white as far as they are concerned. It's not simple for me.
You keep insinuating that I dislike women but somehow love men; I simply do not. It's just that I think most people are not up to much, it is not a gender issue, though.

dittany · 09/09/2011 19:54

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