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"Honour killing"

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Greythorne · 07/09/2011 19:27

Even with quotation marks, I really loathe the use of "honour killing".

Talk about misuse of the word "honour"

www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/sep/07/shafilea-parents-arrested-suspected-honour-killing

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nailak · 09/09/2011 20:36

dittany, its bad, its terrible, they are evil, what else is there discuss?

the fact is if i am not convinced of the premise that it is males that perpetuate the concept of izzat due to experiences i have had in my own life in which i have seen women apply this concept more then men, then i need convincing.

i am voicing my doubts in order that people can come forward with counter arguements, that is how discussion works?

i am not denying that men are violent to women. off course they are. off course they are killing their wifes and daughters. and no one can defend it in anyway.

so what can we do to stop it?

why does it happen?

why do some people in the culture do it and others wouldnt think of it?

edd1337 · 09/09/2011 20:35

Depends what resources are available. Talk to people etc

TheCrackFox · 09/09/2011 20:34

What kind of background research?

edd1337 · 09/09/2011 20:34

I'm just guessing :P

Probably because feminists seem to hate capitalism thus labour = socialist so they'd get your vote (and Harriet Harman is a feminist)

TheCrackFox · 09/09/2011 20:33

How do you know who we voted for? Confused

edd1337 · 09/09/2011 20:33

Crackfox i'm not 100% on how their system works. There's lots to factor in here. I genuinly do not know

The best I could do is look after my sister the best way possible. Get my father to do as much background research as possible

edd1337 · 09/09/2011 20:31

That only happens because of the liberals you voted in are doing it. Not to mention prisons are overcrowded and they seem to be reducing sentances for EVERYONE. Women also get less jail time

TheCrackFox · 09/09/2011 20:31

Just answer the question. Would you help your father or your sister?

StewieGriffinsMom · 09/09/2011 20:30

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edd1337 · 09/09/2011 20:28

Put me in that situation and i'd tell you

This situation however is different than having a husband with murderous intentions

TheCrackFox · 09/09/2011 20:28

No, how about your father wants to marry off your sister and she does not want an arranged marriage. What would you do?

dittany · 09/09/2011 20:27

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edd1337 · 09/09/2011 20:26

If a murderous woman attacked me? Defend myself is what

LRDTheFeministDragon · 09/09/2011 20:26

nailak - I follow you, fair enough. I didn't follow where wamster ran with it, is all.

dittany · 09/09/2011 20:26

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TheCrackFox · 09/09/2011 20:25

What would you do in that situation Ed?

Wamster · 09/09/2011 20:24

No it doesn't help and if my way of thought does not involve the simplistic, 'men are bastards (but of course not all) women are damsels in distress' then I'm happy with it.

edd1337 · 09/09/2011 20:24

I'd like to know what dittany and her MN cronies would do in that situation. Wear a T-shirt saying "this is what a feminist looks like?"

I think not

nailak · 09/09/2011 20:23

i was using my experiences of arranged marriages to compare the culture, and the theory of internalizin patriarchal oppression which i dont fully understand, and was trying to understand how that theory fits other examples.

Wamster · 09/09/2011 20:22

dittany how the fuck would I know what I'd do unless actually in that situation? I can hope that I would give up my life to save somebody else, but I am a selfish person and it's 50/50 either way.

LRDTheFeministDragon · 09/09/2011 20:22

Wamster, feminists don't struggle to think. This may be the part you, OTOH, are having problems with. HTH.

Beachcomber · 09/09/2011 20:22

Well do you get it or not Wamster?

The women speak out - more of them die.

And you are blaming them for propping up the status quo why then?

edd1337 · 09/09/2011 20:22

Right SGM, except here the man can go to prison, over there they wont

This is what you don't seem to understand

Wamster · 09/09/2011 20:21

I mean how can a feminist think that Bangladesh is more civilised than the UK if it allows a woman to be whipped to death for an affair? It makes no sense.

dittany · 09/09/2011 20:20

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