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"Honour killing"

366 replies

Greythorne · 07/09/2011 19:27

Even with quotation marks, I really loathe the use of "honour killing".

Talk about misuse of the word "honour"

www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/sep/07/shafilea-parents-arrested-suspected-honour-killing

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HandDivedScallopsrgreat · 08/09/2011 14:29

Grin Mitch

HandDivedScallopsrgreat · 08/09/2011 14:29

Feel free to contribute CalatalieSisters if you think you can raise the level of debate. I think most of us would welcome that.

Beachcomber · 08/09/2011 14:29

And thank you for your generosity Mitch Grin

TheCrackFox · 08/09/2011 14:28

Everybody is welcome to post here. Doesn't mean that i have to agree with what everybody posts, though.

Hullygully · 08/09/2011 14:27

See BobnEdd, the slight difficulty is that if women try to have a little wordette with the chaps about how the code is a bit on the unfair side, the code demands that they get bumped off for being uppity. Bit of a no-win situation.

MitchiestInge · 08/09/2011 14:26

(first bit of my post was to calataliesisters, rest is for everybody)

MitchiestInge · 08/09/2011 14:25

feel free to raise the general standard

I can't help, I am going to have a bath and inspect an annoying ingrown minge hair

ShirleyKnotFrotGrot · 08/09/2011 14:25

I think the problem here is that Bob and Edd are talking about how a code of "honour" affects men, when everyone else is trying to talk about the revolting practice of the murder of women because of a refusal to marry someone they don't want to, or because they've fallen in love with someone or any other myriad of reasons.

But having watched Bob and Ed (they sound like a comedy duo, like Little and Large or something, only not funny. Not funny at all.) for a few weeks now the derailment of this thread is hardly a surprise,

BobBanana · 08/09/2011 14:24

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Beachcomber · 08/09/2011 14:23

I tell you what I think.

a) Men have been making up the rules for a long time.

b) they are shite at it. (please refer to honour killings,etc.)

Hullygully · 08/09/2011 14:22

Sorry, Jesus is at lunch at the moment. I'll leave him a memo.

CalatalieSisters · 08/09/2011 14:21

Jesus, is this what passes for debate on the feminist threads these days?

Hullygully · 08/09/2011 14:21

See? bob agrees that the honour code oppresses women after all! Good show bob.

Tyr · 08/09/2011 14:20

I think the term "honour" killing is pretty foul. I prefer the term "barbaric" and don't mind the connotations that the murderers are barbarians.
I similarly object to the term "female genital mutilation" and would prefer if it was referred to as "child butchery."
I don't give a shit about the "culture" or "faith" of the perpetrators. They are a sub-species of humanity and should be shunned like lepers.
Actually, that is unfair to lepers who have a right to walk the earth.

BobBanana · 08/09/2011 14:19

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Hullygully · 08/09/2011 14:19

Hey I know! Why don't the lovely chaps that wrote the honour code that oppresses them as much as the women they are Forced To Kill, write another one that's just a little less murderous! Good plan.

edd1337 · 08/09/2011 14:17

Crack. Our posts get mininterpreted and misquoted all the time. Badly constructed arguments? Possibly but not always

Hullygully · 08/09/2011 14:16

Menaresubjecttoanhonourcodethattheywrotethatdemandstheykillwomenwhichisjustatadontheoppressiveside,no?

does that help at all?

CalatalieSisters · 08/09/2011 14:15

Seems to me that BobBanana is saying something reasonable and is getting rather a lot of stick. Is he not just trying to make a distinction between the notion of honour per se (some social code that constitutes a cultural resource for regulating our relationships with one another) and on the other hand the actual content of the honour codes we have typically been burdened with until now, which reflect patriarchal values be cause they have been formed in patriarchal cultures?

Am I misunderstanding? because I fail to see what's offensive about that.

TheCrackFox · 08/09/2011 14:15

Where have any of us tried to claim that men aren't subject to honour codes? Confused

I couldn't give a shit whether honour is used to control human interaction. Women are being killed by people who are supposed to love and cherish them.

If I have misrepresented what you have said it is because you have not constructed your argument very well. Infact your argument is nonsense.

BobBanana · 08/09/2011 14:12

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TheCrackFox · 08/09/2011 14:08

You must have something to say? Surely?

Hullygully · 08/09/2011 14:07

Take all the "culture" shit away and what are you left with?

A group of human beings who think it's just fine to kill the female half of them because they represent the "honour" of the whole.

Load of shit.

BobBanana · 08/09/2011 14:06

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edd1337 · 08/09/2011 14:06

Don't have a lot to say other than I disagree with them