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Fat/Size Acceptance

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GothAnneGeddes · 07/09/2011 18:21

I'm not sure if we have a thread on this yet, so apologies if we have and I've missed it.

I think of all the toxic, time-wasting shite women have to put up with, Diet Culture aka Be Thin and Win, is one of the most widespread. It is the unholy triumvirate of body policing, self hatred and bad science.

I thought this was a really interesting take on Jamie Oliver's new obesity campaign: shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2011/09/on-fat-hatred-and-eliminationism.html#disqus_thread

Would love to know what you all think

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hmc · 07/09/2011 22:51

I think her blog is unmitigated tripe - in most cases obesity is preventable. Not saying it is easy to maintain normal weight - just take issue with the contention that some people are just 'destined' to be fat and have no means of addressing it. However I do detest the vilification and moral censure of fat people - to be fat does not make someone subhuman or less worthy. I don't think it is necessarily a feminist issue any longer - I suspect that fat men are suffering increasing amounts of disapprobation too

mymumdom · 07/09/2011 22:40

If you are interested in fat ( or even just body) acceptance, this is as good a place as any to start.

LeninGrad · 07/09/2011 22:39

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edd1337 · 07/09/2011 22:36

Look at The sun newspaper sometime

Headlines about "fatties this" and "fatties that"

GothAnneGeddes · 07/09/2011 22:33

I think we need to remember the links between poor health and social inequality. Eating a healthy diet and exercising can be very difficult if you are poor.

I think this comment sums up the problem with Oliver's approach:

"Obesity is absolutely preventable. In fact, if we get rid of "poverty, racism, fat hatred, food deserts, lack of safe outdoor spaces, corn subsidies, (and) meat subsidies" the so-called obesity epidemic, and the media-associated epidemics of diabetes and heart disease, will vanish and we'll live in a world where some people are fat and some people are not and most people are just healthy.

So, Jamie Oliver, you're starting a shiny new campaign to end poverty and racism? To bring healthy options to food deserts, to reduce crime and institutional apathy so kids will have safe parks to play in outside? You're championing small family farms that grow a variety of foods, and grass-fed and pastured meat options at affordable prices while ending the corn subsidies that keep fatty meat and chemical sugars at our fingertips?

You're going to put arts and theatre and music programs back in schools to give kids things to be passionate about, build community resources so that kids and adults both have access to local networks of activities and support?

You're going to revamp the advertising industry to end unrealistic images of human expectation, so that we have honest and normalised ideas about what a healthy body is, and we learn to accept and love who we are?

Fabulous, sign me up, I will do whatever I can to...wait, you're just going to shame fat people for not eating the way that works best for your metabolism and maintaining an activity level suited to your lifestyle, while clucking your head sympathetically and condescending to those living without your advantages?

Yeah, fuck you too then, Jamie Oliver. "

Also, I agree with Liss's point that it is wrong to want fat people not to exist anymore. In fact it's really bloody creepy.

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CRIKRI · 07/09/2011 20:16

I think to a degree, the blog reflects the incredibly hypocritical approach to the issue of obesity and size in the US that isn't quite as acute in the UK, imho.

I'll admit, when I read the list of people who'd signed up to Oliver's initiative, I thought nooooo, that's definitely not sending the right message at all.

edd1337 · 07/09/2011 20:14

Well LRD. Seems in the modern-day UK anything over size 6

LRDTheFeministDragon · 07/09/2011 20:07

There's a difference between obesity and what our culture reckons is 'too fat', though.

STIDW · 07/09/2011 19:24

As someone who is literally half the person she once was I'm afraid I'm a "holier than thou" when it comes to obesity, rather like former smokers and smoking. There is a big difference between promoting thinness for appearance sake and promoting a reasonable weight for health reasons. Some people may have medical reasons that make it difficult to maintain a healthy weight but on the whole obesity is preventable. It doesn't need to cost money to loose weight or exercise.

Northernlurkerr · 07/09/2011 19:07

I am profoundly troubled by our attitude to body size BUT I'm not wild about the views expressed in that blog either. The author seems to be embracing a view that some people are fat because of causes beyond their control. They are victims of their body size.

Wel - thing is - I'm fat. Why? Well lots of reasons probably but none of them make me their victim.

I expect I could be thinner if I tried. I just don't want to try at this point. I certainly don't want to be told by society how I should appear either but neither do I wish society to think fat = victim and I don't want to use being a 'victim' as my get out of being judged card.

There is undoubtedly prejudice towards fat people - and fat women in particular. The way the pregnant fat woman is treated in particular is staggering. The problem with society is not (just) that people are blamed for being fat when they may or may not have contributed to it. The problem is that we care at all what size they are. The problem is that we define normality and we hate things outside that. So very nearly everyone ends up with some sort of issue with food and body size.

StewieGriffinsMom · 07/09/2011 18:55

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