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"Former student sues LSE over its 'gender bias' against men"

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NormaStanleyFletcher · 05/09/2011 19:46

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Hardgoing · 06/09/2011 18:28

It's very unlikely that a course on gender and the media would have nothing to say about masculinity and male gender issues, he obviously only got a few weeks in doing the bit about femininity and decided to sue them instead (as you do). He must have done it on purpose.

He was probably one of those students I hate, who try to dominate every discussion and get very annoyed when they lose the conversational floor. It can be a full-time job just trying to get them to be quiet so the others can speak.

TheCrackFox · 06/09/2011 17:08

Who the hell would donate money????

Very glad that tax payers money isn't being used for his legal fees.

TheSmallClanger · 06/09/2011 17:01

I could quite believe that he is an MRA who has done this on purpose.

Either that, or an antifeminist queer theorist of some description. I met one of those once. Their reason for existence seems to be to trundle round claiming that they are not being included.

StewieGriffinsMom · 06/09/2011 15:33

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NormaStanleyFletcher · 06/09/2011 15:29

Have seen on mra site (found while googling the story to show someone, not somewhere I usually hang out!) That he has run out of dosh for the action and they were suggesting that ppl donate

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CotesduRhone · 06/09/2011 14:42

Yes, that's precisely what I thought. A pox on his douchery if tis so.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 06/09/2011 14:42

Dittany is right, he's the patriarchy-police basically appointing himself to make sure that there is no niche of academia, however little, where the study of women and what they do is permitted.

StewieGriffinsMom · 06/09/2011 14:26

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BobBanana · 06/09/2011 13:50

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ElephantsAndMiasmas · 06/09/2011 13:43

Does no-one else think that he signed up for this course with the intention of taking the university to court? It sounds like exactly the sort of thing the resident MN trolls/MRAs would do.

LRD: "In lots of subjects, women (or men) who want to write about or read about women have to look at the course specifications and find a way to do that." - That is soooo true. I had to bend over backwards to write about women even one week a term.

StewieGriffinsMom · 06/09/2011 11:26

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CotesduRhone · 06/09/2011 11:05

There are scads of really interesting books and studies on masculinity, and there is no way a reputable MA in gender would ignore them.

I can only conclude that a) if this dilettante dickwad had stayed the course he would have been given a thorough introduction to the field and b) it's a clearly malicious prosecution taken by someone who is determined to see only what he wishes to see. It's fair to say, I think, that his quotes illustrate his pre-conceived position on the matter. Reading them, it's entirely possible to speculate that he enrolled with the sole aim of dropping out and taking this case!

Any thoughts on the university's approach?

"The university's legal team has asked for the case to be struck out, claiming the core texts were not compulsory, merely recommended readings, and that the texts were equally available for both men and women to read, so therefore did not directly discriminate against men. The team also argues that "any discriminatory effect [against men] was plainly justifiable"."

The first point is clearly arguing that there is no gender discrimination on the basis of 'access'. The second one is interesting - the idea of a 'justifiable discriminatory effect' - or what we might term 'redressing the balance'. Anyone know if this has been used as a successful defence in similar cases?

StewieGriffinsMom · 06/09/2011 10:55

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Prolesworth · 06/09/2011 10:46

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StewieGriffinsMom · 06/09/2011 10:41

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LRDTheFeministDragon · 06/09/2011 10:39

Grin I dunno alice but when you find out, can you let the rest of us know?!

aliceliddell · 06/09/2011 10:24

Who do we sue for gender bias against women, then?

StewieGriffinsMom · 06/09/2011 10:15

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LRDTheFeministDragon · 06/09/2011 10:08

SGM - I agree, but isn't that the most depressing thing? He could get into LSE - a good university - to do a masters, and still be this clueless.

TheCrackFox · 06/09/2011 09:54

I did a degree in history - should I sue the course because there really was bugger all female history discussed bar a few token lectures.

I really hope he is paying his own legal fees for this because I do not want my taes wasted on this shite.

StewieGriffinsMom · 06/09/2011 09:40

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LRDTheFeministDragon · 06/09/2011 08:52

I think an interesting point comes out of this though, which applies whether or not this individual was silly or misguided or whatever. In lots of subjects, women (or men) who want to write about or read about women have to look at the course specifications and find a way to do that. The work isn't done for them; there may be significant obstacles against it. (Incidentally, I think this tends to polarize work on women ... it's often either very good, because the student had that extra something that got them doing independent work, or very bad, because there isn't as much support).

In general, if you want to write about men, you don't have to look at a course spec and work out how to do it - you just do it. In some subjects, like mine which is English Lit, you could even write about men on modules dedicated to women - because we end up working on texts by men, about women and men, not just by women about women.

I wonder if this student just struggled because it hadn't occurred to him that he might be expected to work out for himself how to relate his interest in masculinity to the subject matter?

StewieGriffinsMom · 06/09/2011 08:23

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GothAnneGeddes · 06/09/2011 01:51

I have heard via Facebook that he was a bit of an arse IRL, a bully in discussions and generally uninformed.

Prolesworth · 05/09/2011 23:59

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