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"DSK Case Exposes Rifts Between Feminists"

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DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 02/09/2011 18:15

Lucy Wadham claims to be a feminist. So why is she dubbing those of us who believe DSK is guilty of rape as "Man-Haters"?

Hmm

Any thoughts?

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JosephineB · 02/09/2011 19:26

Y'ou can't just brand him a rapist on her say-so'

And so you have branded her a liar based on...? And before you retort with 'she told lies before' - are so squeaky clean that you have never told a lie? Does that now mean you are an outlaw and that anyone can commit a crime against you forever more and the law will shrug its shoulders?

Besides which:

(a) there is other evidence to support her version of events

and

(b) it is not a legal requirement for a rape convistion to have anything more than the victim's word. Whilst it is true that few such cases result in a conviction, it is entirely possible for a man to be convicted - as you so dismissively put it - on the victims 'say-so'

smallwhitecat · 02/09/2011 19:21

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NormaStanleyFletcher · 02/09/2011 19:21

Not read article yet btw - off to read now

NormaStanleyFletcher · 02/09/2011 19:21

I find the whole thing deeply disturbing. The american justice system is basically based around how much you can pay for your legal team. The more you pay, the greater your chance of success. There is no subjudicy type legislation so they are free to smear the opposite party.

dittany · 02/09/2011 19:21

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DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 02/09/2011 19:17

And please refrain from calling women "darling". How deeply sexist of you.

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DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 02/09/2011 19:16

But we've heard nothing but misogyny come from you today. Please feel free to visit Feminism 101. I think you need it...

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edd1337 · 02/09/2011 19:07

DontCallMeFrothyDragon I suppose while I may not consider myself a feminist I do agree with certain things feminists fight for. if that makes me a feminist so be it

aliceliddell doesn't work like that darling

aliceliddell · 02/09/2011 19:00

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skrumle · 02/09/2011 18:59

i couldn't have picked DSK out of a line-up before this case blew up but we're supposed to believe that she knew exactly who he was??? and an "affair" with a guest who was supposed to have already checked out??

lots of things could have happened - let me know when you come up with a vaguely believable one...

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DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 02/09/2011 18:59

Edd, what are you doing in the feminist section? Hmm

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edd1337 · 02/09/2011 18:57

probably lying to defame him. Or she got angry he wouldn't have an affair so she cries rape. Lots of things could have happened here

skrumle · 02/09/2011 18:51

thoughts? what a load of crap...

and ed1337, i'll view him as a rapist on the basis of undisputed facts:

  • they had sex
  • they didn't know each other
  • no money exchanged hands
  • he was a powerful, rich hotel guest while she was a hotel maid

until someone can prove that she consented i will work on the basis of reasonable doubt - and i find it very unreasonable to believe that a hotel maid in the middle of her shift willingly decided to have sex with a man like him.

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DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 02/09/2011 18:41

97% of people reporting a rape aren't lying.

So I believe her.

Most men accused of rape who deny it are lying.

So I don't believe him.

Simples

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edd1337 · 02/09/2011 18:33

we don't even know if a rape took place. You can't just brand him a rapist on her say-so

aliceliddell · 02/09/2011 18:29

Another example of tired liberalism revealing a complete lack of understanding of the yawning gulf between libertarian critiques of puritanism and feminist critiques of rape apologists/MRA's. This Wadham person seems singularly ill-equipped to discuss feminists' response to the DSK rape case as she understands neither feminism nor rape.

DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 02/09/2011 18:29

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edd1337 · 02/09/2011 18:27

innocent until proven guilty is the way it should be