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"DSK Case Exposes Rifts Between Feminists"

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DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 02/09/2011 18:15

Lucy Wadham claims to be a feminist. So why is she dubbing those of us who believe DSK is guilty of rape as "Man-Haters"?

Hmm

Any thoughts?

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AyeRobot · 02/09/2011 22:36

[tongue in cheek]Maybe pitchforks and petrol bombs would actually assist in bringing down the number of rapes.[/tongue in cheek] The justice system seems to be doing a very poor job of it.

Maybe women like Lucy Wadham should align themselves with the equalists and leave feminism to those who recognise that we're a long way from equality and accusing feminists of man-hating is just spouting the same old patriarchal nonsense.

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DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 02/09/2011 22:35

Tut tut, he doesn't have a very high opinion of men, does he?

Are you a rapist, edd?

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DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 02/09/2011 22:29

Oooh, we'd be really happy about it.... Hmm

No, I'd be happy to see every single rapist jailed. Then the rest of the men who remain out of prison can teach the next generation what being a decent fucking human is about.

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DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 02/09/2011 22:21

but instead, we're stuck in a society where only 6.7% of rape claims result in a conviction. Yeah. Real fair judicial system we have.

What, are 93.3% of women lying?

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edd1337 · 02/09/2011 22:19

I have got work tommorow quite early now you mention it

HandDivedScallopsrgreat · 02/09/2011 22:16

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edd1337 · 02/09/2011 22:15

This is going to sound really harsh and cruel, but in some ways i'm glad the rape laws are how they are, or "unfair" as you put it. If we had it your way then all it'll take is a false accusation and the man is faced with an angry mob wielding pitchforks and petrol bombs. No defence or anything, just put away forever.... over a false claim

DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 02/09/2011 22:14

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edd1337 · 02/09/2011 22:06

I would expect nothing less from you siding with the maid - despite the evidence to the contrary. This is a feminist forum after all.

Portofino · 02/09/2011 22:03

All i can say is that after reading the prosecution's statement on another thread, I can understand why they did not procede. That is not to say at all that I don't believe her, or that DSK is a nasty piece of work.

HandDivedScallopsrgreat · 02/09/2011 21:55

Of course you are edd, dear. Wouldn't expect anything less from you - despite the evidence to the contrary.

edd1337 · 02/09/2011 21:51

DontCallMeFrothyDragon Hit a nerve I see. Welcome to the Internet

skrumle I'll work on the basis of reasonable doubt - and I find it very unreasonable to believe a powerful political figure would dare tarnish his reputation by raping with a hotel maid. As it's known that women can and do make false claims then she may have lied. Not definitive, she just might have

Until then i'm siding with DSK

Abra1d · 02/09/2011 21:37

'if you choose to believe otherwise i don't know that i would necessarily think you not a real feminist but i probably would think you exceptionally naive/thick - does that make it clearer??'

So people who don't agree with you are 'naive and/or thick'?

I think the man is a sleeze ball and I hope his political career is over. But suppose, for the sake of argument, that she thought she could have sex with him for money and went ahead and then he didn't give it to her? So she then went to the police? Still not rape. Nasty, exploitative and sleezy on his part, but not rape.

STIDW · 02/09/2011 20:59

DontCallMeFrothyDragon wrote;

"Lucy Wadham claims to be a feminist. So why is she dubbing those of us who believe DSK is guilty of rape as "Man-Haters"?"

Perhaps because there is a difference between believing something happened and knowing it happened?

skrumle · 02/09/2011 20:45

"And that means it must be rape, and if you think otherwise you're not a real feminist?"

did i say that??? you quoted fairly extensively and yet i don't see me saying that...

the full post was (with new highlights):
and ed1337, i'll view him as a rapist on the basis of undisputed facts:

  • they had sex
  • they didn't know each other
  • no money exchanged hands
  • he was a powerful, rich hotel guest while she was a hotel maid
until someone can prove that she consented i will work on the basis of reasonable doubt - and i find it very unreasonable to believe that a hotel maid in the middle of her shift willingly decided to have sex with a man like him.

if you choose to believe otherwise i don't know that i would necessarily think you not a real feminist but i probably would think you exceptionally naive/thick - does that make it clearer??

DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 02/09/2011 20:41

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edd1337 · 02/09/2011 20:39

by skrumles logic, yes. I suppose its sexist to label women golddigers when divorce is I. her favour

Abra1d · 02/09/2011 20:32

'- they had sex

  • they didn't know each other
  • no money exchanged hands
  • he was a powerful, rich hotel guest while she was a hotel maid'

And that means it must be rape, and if you think otherwise you're not a real feminist?

aliceliddell · 02/09/2011 20:28

There is the teensy matter of the forensic evidence. His semen in the room where she said she spat it out versus his tale of having dinner with his daughter, for example.

smallwhitecat · 02/09/2011 19:29

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