You don't have to be feminist to post here, but it helps...

'Anyway, I think the term 'in-fighting' is daft. We're not a unified group. There is no 'in'. You can call yourself whatever you like and there are posters here who I may think are nutty as fruitcake when they call themselves feminists, but there we are, that's what makes them happy. But terms like 'in-fighting' suggest we really should get our ranks in order and take responsibility as a group that there's no disagreement. How boring and pointless would that be?'

Did I get the wrong end of the stick then, because I got the impression that dittany felt more annoyed about the disagreements with LeninGrad because they are both feminists?
I do think that disagreements spark very good debates.

Problem with tanks is they don't really tie in with my nicey greeny ideas. As much as I like large powerful vehicles.

Can you get them with solar panels?

I like anarchafeminist. I used to know a couple of anarchists. I'm not sure I'd want to be like them though

So using utterly correct logic, this means that all radical feminists on these boards are like tank girl? Cool.

No worries. I just like to type 'patriarchy'.

SGM - so what was it you said to ge deleted on page one of that thread?

LRD, yes, you're right. Elementary mistake of mine there!

Just marking my place so this thread will come up on "threads I'm on" - I can never find anything otherwise

Oh, and from my understanding, the feminist movement started to fragment and collapse under the weight of these contradictions in the early eighties (I'm pretty sure it was then), when they had one of their annual conferences and lots of groups fell out big time and got really upset with each other. So it would be a shame for the same to happen here: unless we can find a way of discussing with each other respectfully, we will be smashing our laptop screens long before the Patriarchy...

Thing is, no-one's going to change, are they, and I personally wouldn't want them to. So we have no choice but to muddle on as best we can

LeBjof - since there's pedanty stuff going on, can I say I think lots of radical feminists would reckon they're fighting the patriarchy (ie., the social structures that benefit men), not men themselves?!

Thanks BoF

So what would a feminist who wants to smash it all up including the class system, capitalism, nuclear weapons and destructive global industries be called?

And instead live in a flowery garden sort of place where everyone is nice to each other and offers to look after your children all the time so you can go off and read books about robots?

Because I am sure there are a large number of people on these boards who would sign up for that.

While we're being picky, someone on another thread just used 'cites' instead of 'citations' and it is like fingers on a blackboard.

Anyway, I think the term 'in-fighting' is daft. We're not a unified group. There is no 'in'. You can call yourself whatever you like and there are posters here who I may think are nutty as fruitcake when they call themselves feminists, but there we are, that's what makes them happy. But terms like 'in-fighting' suggest we really should get our ranks in order and take responsibility as a group that there's no disagreement. How boring and pointless would that be?

Mind you I'm not sure what my husband would think of that.

Radical Feminists- Patriarchy Theory: men benefit from women's oppression and rule by force and stealth, so we need to fight them.

Liberal Feminists- women should have the same choices as men under capitalism; as long as everyone can do what they like, what they achieve is only limited by how much money they have.

Socialist Feminists- women will only be equal if we overthrow class society, so we should fight on two fronts.

Oooh I'm not keen on horses. You can have the horses.

I'll be like Tank Girl

She sounds like she will make a good feminist and won't be swayed by false arguments.

But then you get called picky and led firmly to pedants' corner.
Although the image of my DD at 2, towing a wooden cow on wheels was a welcome flashback. It went everywhere with her, regardless of the opinions of others.

please inform that person in future, otherwise they risk making an ass of themselves.

I really wish all this fighting would stop so we could get on with Smashing the Patriarcy

I mean, I'm on a schedule here