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Hi, I just thought you should know you are being bitched about on this website

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sakura · 19/08/2011 12:39

I've just received a PM from ShroedingersMew directing me to a website where, apparently, I am being bitched about.

I haven't bothered even to click on the link. But I just wanted to let the other feminists on here know in case something similar happens to them.

I would say the best thing to do is ignore the link, ignore the website altogether, and not let them have the traffic.

There are two things abusive men hate: being laughed at, and being ignored.

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Pagwatch · 19/08/2011 22:11

Oh bless him. He is a bit flustered isn't he?

TheMagnificentBathykolpian · 19/08/2011 20:53

Group effort is probably needed since they probably only have the one brain cell between them.

Tyr · 19/08/2011 20:49

It's back up now and his response (probably a group effort from the three of them) is a good indicator of the degree of intellectual rigour we can expect them to bring to the forthcoming campaign.

justforaminute · 19/08/2011 20:33

well the thing is Tyr...we ve all been got by the patriarchy.
and yes this includes men.....[some a lot more than others]
why oh why are these clowns doing this....they could be putting theyre time to better use.
surely instead of bitchin about whats happening over here....they could be helping men.

sparky

ForkInTheForeheid · 19/08/2011 20:26

Anyone else think there's something quite endearing about how much time and effort this weirdo poor troubled man puts into his cause?

No, me neither. Someone ought to tell him he's wasting his life.

Tyr · 19/08/2011 20:19

It looks like the one post challenging him has disappeared. It seems that he and his two cronies scatter pretty easily.......

EldritchCleavage · 19/08/2011 19:10

If the misrepresentation is defamatory, then there could be a libel claim. There could also be a privacy claim but this is more speculative, if the photo has been posted on FB before. There is also the possibility of an offence being committed under the Data Portection Act and of the postings constituting harassment.

SchrodingersMew · 19/08/2011 17:02

Having found out first hand lately. You need copyright of a picture to use it.

AnyFucker · 19/08/2011 16:47

ignore

I think people having their photos misrepresented have a case for not ignoring though

can that even be legal ?

Prolesworth · 19/08/2011 16:37

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EldritchCleavage · 19/08/2011 16:29

I vote for ignoring. I'm just not interested in these child-men who've had all the good bits removed (intelligence, percipience, compassion, sex appeal, humour, restraint, kindness, sense of responsibility).

ElectricSoftParade · 19/08/2011 16:23

Oh he would love a page about his heroic fight against the foul feminazis who torment him and all right-thinking decent folk!

I know what picture would be used - TheMagnificentBathykolpian's one. Perfect!

justforaminute · 19/08/2011 16:22

i just hope no one says anything horrible about theyre dog in "dog owners"
they would really have theyre work cut out then[justine and carrie]

sparky

Pagwatch · 19/08/2011 16:20

To be honest I would almost rather leave him be.

He is a sad fucker. I would rather know where the sad fucker hangs out and occasionally pop over to laugh at him ranting away while no one pays him any mind.

SybilBeddows · 19/08/2011 16:20

ESP have you thought of setting up a special website where you can report back on what he's been up to? You could call it MumsnetSucksSucks, or AntiAntiMumsnet. Grin

ElectricSoftParade · 19/08/2011 16:17

TheMagnificentBathykolpian Grin Grin Grin

Pagwatch Is this misandrygate? Grin Grin Grin

This man is hilarious/scary/deranged. I have a slight obsession with the MN Sucks page, I keep being drawn back just to see what else he has come up with.

TheMagnificentBathykolpian · 19/08/2011 16:14

Actually, justine and carrie - being named on there, hteir pictures put up and having certain insulting and untrue things said about them, can also complain to zetaboard, can't they?

justforaminute · 19/08/2011 16:11

well now apparently...Justine and Carrie can argue theyre case!!
what case?oh sorry....yes-giving women a space where they can talk to each other/understand each other and help each other.
all annon as a lot of times we cant talk about things unannon[or in rl]
so.............JUSTINE AND CARRIE...THANKYOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS SPACE...ITS HELPED ME GET RID OF A LIFETIME OF PAIN AND ITS HELPED ME TO HELP OTHERS UNDERSTAND AND HEAR...WHICH HOPEFULLY HELPS OTHERS.WITHOUT IT I WILL STILL BE IN THE HORRIBLE SPACE I WAS IN AND FEELING COMPLETLY ALONE.THANKYOU SO MUCH.
AND THANKYOU TO THE WOMAN/WOMEN WHO ASKED FOR THIS SPACE.
oh......and its interesting that Justine and carrie are being asked to argue theyre case.....like theyre accountable for others...other women in fact....
cos yes-women cant be accountable for theyre selves can they-they have to be owned by someone.
mns says the message is getting out.....yep sure is...but not in the way you mean.

sparky

sakura · 19/08/2011 16:06

Adonis Mirror

"The story of history is a story of mirrors. It is not a tale scribed by victors on bloody battlefields. Nor is it told by professors or preachers. Instead, it is the story of white men seated on greasy couches, watching late-night television with reddened eyes. Regardless of their station, their individual qualities during the day, they are all men who are given the sanction to imagine themselves as victors, links in a long chain, merely by looking the part. They see a reflection of their own personalities in the great generals and emperors of the past. Others, in their eyes, exist outside of such thrilling legacies. To them, the human record is filtered through an ego-colored glass that first rendered God as a man and then his Son as a white one. The history of dominance that they recall?some of it real, much of it pure fantasy?translates into contemporary power for those who are able to borrow authority from its hallowed vaults. Belonging to a social class with not just historic power but the power to control history can go a long way in making up for personal shortcomings.

The backlash against feminism has always found solace in a mythological past where men were men and gender lines were freely drawn in wide swaths of blood. They smugly insist that cavewomen were burdens to their brave hunters. They deny that there was ever any Great Goddess or matriarchy, even though such theories were highly promoted by male scholars before women themselves were admitted to the academy. As females became their peers, or at least too close for comfort, the idea of matriarchy was transformed from a libidinous hypothesis to a threatening reminder of the precariousness of male dominance. To this end, antifeminists also argue that sexism aimed against men is the most pressing danger to our own civilization, a society that just might tumble back to the Stone Age if the disparagement of masculinity continues. Criticism from women is somehow more dangerous than a male-created nuclear holocaust: evidently only men have the right to drive us onward to our extinction.

While men have long enjoyed attacking ungrateful women as ?man haters,? the epithet seems more than a little bit silly when transposed onto the printed page?something demanded by the burgeoning market for so-called Men?s Studies materials. It certainly lacks the gravitas required to reflect the widespread injury and social disadvantages that many white males believe they endure on a daily basis. Thus a more scientific-sounding term was needed for ?the hatred of men? and antifeminists crafted one out of their own perverted imagination of antiquity: misandry.

Cobbled together from two generally recognizable Greek components, ?misandry? has the appearance of consequence and refinement. Words with such roots are privileged in our society. They are used by doctors and lawyers, not out of necessity, but as a matter of status: they can view their own image in that mirror of history, standing tall with the great men of the ages. The capital letters we afford to Classical Civilization is an artifact of both racism and sexism. That very same authority, unearned as it is, was harnessed in order to fashion the word misandry. As it is an unfamiliar term to most who encounter it, many automatically assume that it has sound intellectual underpinnings given our society?s expectations for such words and the biases that surround them. This is no accident.

Furthermore, the archaic roots misrepresent misandry?s status as a new word, a neologism: antifeminists want nothing more than to mislead the public into thinking the word has always existed. With the seed of that deception planted, they can then blame its esoteric status on a feminist conspiracy that quietly removed misandry from our vernacular, just as reports of abusive women and battered men are allegedly censored by the agents of Political Correctness. This tactic has actually met with a good measure of success: many who encounter ?misandry? for the first time are given cause to wonder why they have never before heard a word that is made to seem ?obvious? in nature by its proponents. By adding a veneer of Pentelic marble to ?man hater,? these men are able to act as if ?misandry? were an unearthed treasure waiting to be found and not a newly minted piece of plastic.

The word and its variations (misandric, misandrist, et. al) were first used only by the most militant of antifeminists, where even the most published and professional remained outliers in male society. One early adopter of ?misandry? was Warren Farrell, a man who once wrote on the benefits of incest for Penthouse magazine. Yet its constant repetition over the past decade has turned it from the battle-cry of the pathetic to a banal trivia question. It serves as the answer to ?what is the opposite of misogyny,? a rhetorical question often posed to the editors of online-dictionaries by readers, all seemingly possessed of unlimited quantities of mock-innocence. Misandry?s less combustible presentation has allowed it to surge ahead of competing antifeminist devices (?androphobia?) that have since fallen by the wayside.

This transformation has framed the term in a ?common sense? approach that many feminists, especially young ones, have difficulty discounting: if the word misogyny exists, logically and mathematically, there must be another side of that coin to restore balance. This tact has the advantage of highlighting ?rationality? as a masculine attribute. Those who refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of misandry, both as a word and as a sociological fact, are portrayed as effeminate and thus bereft of logic, no matter how detailed and thought-out their arguments might be. Feminists who employ the so-called ?soft sciences? of history and sociology in their rebuttals are easily disregarded by men who invoke ?hard science? on their own behalf: the Coin Defense involves mathematics, of a perverse kind, and is thus deemed ?objective? even though it is nothing of the sort."

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 19/08/2011 15:56

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=misandry

YaMaYaMa · 19/08/2011 15:42

Grin as the turtleneck

SchrodingersMew · 19/08/2011 15:36

Bathy :o

SchrodingersMew · 19/08/2011 15:35

I reported him for 'abusive/threatening/libel'.

TheMagnificentBathykolpian · 19/08/2011 15:35

Penis envy of course.

I wish I had one just like our dear old avenell

StayFrosty · 19/08/2011 15:33

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