Women and traditional dress.

That's not what corvax said, not the same at all. Perhaps brush up on your reading and comprehension skills

Some girls in probably all cities in China wear clothes like that, posie. Not all do, and I would hazard a guess that the majority don't, based on what I see with my own eyes on the large numbers of trips I make there every year. Short skirts are often seen, same as in Korea, Thailand and Japan, but they are generally pretty and sweet, and combined with covered up top halves, big boobs not being the norm but great legs being in abundance not at all pornstarish.

The clear heels, meh, they are just cheap shoes.

If I walked down any high street in Britain on a Saturday night, I would probably say all British teenagers dress like pot stars as well, applying your same flawed logic. I mean, have you seen clapham high street on a st night, or Newcastle town centre, or Nottingham town centre. It's just that I'm not so dumb as to think that it's in any way representative of everyday life for most people.

Of course, viewing the world through superior racist specs often leads people to make sweeping and crass generalisations.

(in the part of China I visit most frequently) There we go Corvax.....this is what I said.

I'm loving BuzNuz on this topic. My gran wouldn't've felt right going out without a headscarf in 60s Yorkshire. Wish I could've worn a veil to my dad's funeral and for a couple of months after.

But how am I going to tell my middle-aged friend, bless 'im, that wearing traditional English women's dress with dodgy makeup is bad for his photography business?

The Boss.....What? The area I frequent in China, the South West, has the largest city in the world, population 60m in the next few years when the cities merge, and these young girls wear tiny skirts and lacy clothes, very very high, clear perspex, heels.

Yet again, Posie, I think you've been visiting parallel universes to the one I live in. I don't recognise any of the Asian countries I've lived in from the decsriptions you give.

Male samurai didn't wear wigs, they had elaborate shaved and knotted hairstyles, and either hats or helmets that weighed an absolute tonne.

And I don't think wig-wearing is a big thing in Japan except amongst certain uber-trendy types such as the harajuku girls and Shibuyu crews (outside geishas, who, lets face it, are few and far between these days). Its no more or less popular than hair extensions and clip-ins in the UK.

And young Chinese women in everyday clothing more revealing than Western clothing??? Yes, there are some young Chinese who dress in "porn heels", but its not the norm to see - actually, in common with a lot of Asians, they dress relatively modestly and very smartly compared to what I see in London on a daily basis.

Your comments are increasingly sounding like a determination to emphasise the cultural superiority of the West vs any Asians. who of course must all be either oppressed or dressing like porn stars in your descriptions.

No....well I don't think so and yes. Actually saying that Chinese men wear heavy wigs too...and beard wigs, well they do on Chinese Soaps!!

Chinese women, young Chinese women who are the only ones you see and the pretty old, wear very revealing clothing, short skirts, porn heels (see htrough and impractical, more than 'Western' girls....even in the day/. (in the part of China I visit most frequently)

I have and Chinese traditional wear, it's heavy and uncomfortable.

Ever worn a japanese wig?

Actually my actual concern is far reaching, unfortunately the debate was stifled by calls to White girls are trash....yawn. Why woman have to be becons of cultural over their male counter parts is up for debate namechanger if you fancy discussing it. Or does cultural relativism stretch to forcing a woman to bandage her feet, paint her face white, wear heavy headwear?

Too much handringing about religion here and yet prejudice and woeful lies about men, white men, is bang on. Do we just slag ofsome white women now and all white men in feminism?

Thank you MPIT.

Whatevs, dear.

Eldritch, yup if you think a person is thinking in terms of 'the ethnics' as a homogenous group then that would imply that they are somewhat racist. But don't let the first mis-reading of what I wrote inhibit you from further judgement - oh I see it didn't.

Now where was I on the feminist board discussing women and issues I care about - not in need of your support or denigration thanks.

Racism.....meaning hatred of races?

Cultural relativism is a piss poor concoction to excuse all types of crap all over the world. And if you read the thread you'd have an idea what 'Western' means in this context.

Western is 'the norm' in the West......

OK, 'presumed racism' is really over-egging it now. You've got vertigo from standing on that soapbox for so long.

Yes Eldritch I did hear the irony but trying to draw attention to my presumed racism whilst using terms often used as an insult isn't an approach I like. I am frequently enraged by the casual dismissal of the women I work with by terms like the one you used ironically and equally enraged by the tendency of others to refuse to hear the women themselves because they are too busy listening to the dominant (male) community voices telling them its cultural/religious and they have no right to comment.

Corvax - poverty is an issue, here where I am too where people now have to travel further on worse bus routes for hospital health care but that isn't really what I meant. I work with women often not allowed to access health care with any regularity. Our service has changed to offer more health care in ways that make it more possible that these women can attend. But I have moved somewhat away from the OP I see...