The London Riots: The Elephant in the Room

good post, sparky

Unfortunately there are not enough. I think it is very difficult if not impossible for a conviction politician to get elected nowadays. And if you are a person of integrity then you would have to be out of your mind to want to be a politician.
I certainly noticed Nicola Blackwood and made a mental note to find out who she was, although I did think she was slightly flustered and a little wet, but I guess she is quite young.
Widdecombe is a little eccentric I think, therefore too much of a loose cannon to be "popular" Perhaps that is why she was sidelined. I never thought I would say this but there was one decent labour politician once, Mo Mowlam and she got fucked over by,"swivel-eyed Anthony Blair" (courtesy Clarissa Dickson-Wright). She'd make a good PM

im fed up with a lot of the things ive been reading on mn this week-paticcally the single mother bashing-its offensive and wrong.
when are we going to realise that we have all been fucked over?when?
its not about single mums doing a bad job of parenting ect ect.[however this is bloody predictable isnt it-people saying this].
right across the board its a grande fuck up.yet we are are looking at just one or two groups and pointing fingers.
actually i dont even know where to start with this-but here goes.....
ok-for a start people are saying that people like me have no respect[underclass single mother]-how can i have respect when im called the underclass?how can i have respect when i sit in front of teachers wanting to get very involved with my childs school life but is pushed away cos they are busy playing social workers and ticking boxes?
how can i have respect when ss just want to tick boxes and keep theyre jobs but they dont hear?
how can i have respect when the job centre calls me up for a "why aint you got a job"interview every 3 months-even tho im life limited and have a child with sn[childcare prob]
how can i have respect when-i go there and ask them if theres anything i can do small and for a few hours-and they tell me to go away but come back to answer the same stupid questions again soon.
how can i have respect when-im bringing my child up well-but people only see that im a single parent-
how can i have respect when i see people calling me deprived all the time[and my child deprived]-have you any idea what this feels like?
have you any idea what it feels like to see youreself written off time and time again?im a good mother and a strong and proud woman-yet according to society-im a gobshite.
the other side of it is-while im getting written off[and so are my children]-you are too but you dont realise it.
you are the teachers/ss ect ect that are involved with me but you are being used and fucked over aswell.
lets stop pointing fingers at each other and disliking each other-when we do this the patriarchy is winning.
its very noticable[to me]that some are showing theyre true colors lately-but this is just vile and hate-the patriarchys winning-cant you see?
we need to stop all this-or things are never going to change.
lets look at the proper picture instead of one thats painted for us.

Anne Widdecombe wasn't right on everything, but Tories loved her, both women and men. That's politics. You either prefer Blair or Widdecombe. I prefer Widdecombe, but obviously many others will prefer Blair.

Yeah, women would be so much better off if A Widdecombe were PM. Who needs abortion rights anyway, eh?

"Poetic licence"
Are you the type to creep around in the dark stabbing people and then running away Alice?

"heroine worship coursing through your veins" "unclouded thought"

archieleach, the Tory party is full of women of that calibre. I was mnightily impressed by Nicola Blackwood at the parliamentary committee questioning the police. Honest, clever, smart, forthright, fantastic. That is the future, not clapped out male politicians.

Never forget Anne Widdecombe, singlehandedly better than a hundred Tory backbenchjers and ten thousand Labour backbenchers. The Tories loved her, all the constituencies wanted her to be leader, but the male cabal of Tory MPs conspired to stop her. If she had been leader, things would have changed for the better, but that's exactly the reason that the male MPs stopped her.

I'm afraid I was guilty of making assumptions. Not used to seeing such unclouded thought in this section you see.

Seems like you've got a dose of that heroine worship coursing through your veins.
You'll never see the like of her again.

I think these policies were introduced by men. If women were in charge, it would depend which women. It is about politics, not sex. If Thatcher and Edwina Currie and Tory women like them were in charge, then yes things would be totally different. It's about politics, not gender.

When Thatcher was first voted in, people said she wouldn't be up to it because she was a woman. But people soon changed their minds and said where is the next Thatcher.

I'm sure you were marvellous in your hood Milly

'Very true Claig but many would have you believe that we are all just puppets dancing to the tune of the great god Socialisation'

But Thatcher proved the many wrong.

You said,

"No it wouldn't get implemented, because the majority male MPs in parliament would not vote for it. You can't blame women for every policy you don't like. The majority of MPs are men and they set policy".

I took your last sentence to mean that the policies were set by men which has led to this dumbing down/nobody loses/everyone is equal/feminisation of education but if the majority of MPs were women, it would be different.
Perhaps I misinterpreted.

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way

I think I have entered some parallel universe. Or maybe I am asleep and dreaming this thread.

Milly

'Well I totally agree Claig, but how about the gender representation question?'

what gender representation question? I don't know what you mean.

'You seem to be saying that if education is being feminised (and in my opinion it is and to the detriment of all) then even though most of the teachers are women, it is male MPs who make the rules and yet it would somehow be different if the MPs making the rules were women. Don't want to put words into your mouth but is that what you meant?'

I disagree with modular courses etc. I think it has led to the dumbing down of education with everyone getting A* etc. I believe in standards, because I am a Tory. I believe that liberals have dumbed down society. But it has nothing to do with women or feminisation. It is purely political and has been done for political objectives. Many Tory women are opposed to the dumbing down and want to reverse it. It depends which women were in power. If progressives were in power they would continue their policy, but if Thatcher was now in power, she would correct these policies.

I wore a hoody to work yesterday. I wanted to represent the zeitgeist fully.

Very true Claig but many would have you believe that we are all just puppets dancing to the tune of the great god Socialisation

'I would be insulted to think that someone thought hormones ruled me.'

Well that's where we differ. I don't believe in my own logical control of myself. I think we are controlled by unconscous forces and chemicals and hormones as well as free will and reason. But I believe people can easily be swung out of reason and swayed by spin and propaganda, which is what all the political spinners and 'Princes of Darkness' and propagandists know. Even our breathing is controlled by subconscious forces. We have to realise that we are at heart animals, subject to the laws of nature. If we don't understand that, then we cannot understand the territorial and tribal behaviour of football hooligans and many other aspects of human behaviour.

You seem to be saying that if education is being feminised (and in my opinion it is and to the detriment of all) then even though most of the teachers are women, it is male MPs who make the rules and yet it would somehow be different if the MPs making the rules were women. Don't want to put words into your mouth but is that what you meant?

Well I totally agree Claig, but how about the gender representation question?

Must have misunderstood Archie - assumed you were hoping for some logic in your post. Nevermind then.