The London Riots: The Elephant in the Room

sparky680, I am beginning to think that it may be planned. It is very worrying for thousands of families and for all of society, as it is difficult to know what the effects might be.

'Under housing rules his mother ? as the tenant ? can be evicted from their two-bedroom flat in Battersea if anyone living there is involved in criminality.'

and Ed Miliband said

'Labour leader Ed Miliband, in Hackney, added: 'When council tenants sign agreements they sign up to agreements about behaviour, and local authorities have powers to deal with those things.
'What local authorities need to do is weigh up the decisions that they are making. If they think there are ways in which we can encourage parental responsibly then they should make those right decisions but they should always do so in a way that is actually going to help local communities and not harm them.'

In theory this policy could include many criminal acts, even minor ones. I hope that is not intended. But one never knows.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024605/UK-riots-Daniel-Sartain-Clarkes-family-evicted-Wandsworth-Council.html

yep-it is worrying isnt it.
it would just divide society more wouldnt it...for all sorts of reasons.
one being..someone in social housing that does wrong gets evicted and someone else who owns theyre home does wrong but dont get evicted.
i think it will happen Claig-its been coming and some in power have just been looking for the right time.

Yes, I agree with that. I think these evictions are wrong. Also reading the report of the eviction, it is possible that this may be applied much more widely i.e. any one who commits a crime e.g. shoplifting may break the terms of these written tenancies. I hope that won't happen, but who knows?

yep-tottally agree Hagocrat.
hang on....if these people are helping...why are people just about to get evicted from theyre homes?
a lot of these will be single mothers and this will cause further breakdown in some familys!

I am not saying my view is correct and yours is incorrect. I am showing that what I have said is what all the politicians and youth workers on these estates and think tanks and bigwigs of every stripe and hue are saying and have said for years, and that they are not slagging single mothers off. Instead they are slagging off the feckless fathers,

I think you'll need to look outside of what politicians are saying for a critical view. They wouldn't be where they are if they were radical, would they? It's no good quoting a load of politicians to prove the correctness of your view because "they would say that, wouldn't they"?

saf, I don't think Diane Abbott is being patriarchal. I think these politicians really believe it, they think they are helping families and children and solving the gang crime, knife crime, drug crime problems of society.

'During parliamentary questions to the Home Office Diane argued:

?As well as ensuring that we have effective policing and the right sentence tariff, the Government need to do more to deal with family breakdown and educational under-achievement, which are partly at the root of the issue.?

www.dianeabbott.org.uk/news/press/news.aspx?p=102203

Of course there are (elite) women saying the same stuff. But who has the power to dictate the terms of the debate? Women? Mothers? This is basic feminist stuff, picking apart the dominant discourses to see how they uphold the status quo and keep women down.

'Could it be that "youth workers interviewed on TV and Gordon Brown and just about every decision maker and think tank in the country" are mostly men?'

Good point. I will google, but I am sure that Thatcher, Widdecombe, Edwina Currie, Sarah Palin and probably even Diane Abbott may have said the same things.

I agree with SAF. Implicit in that view is the idea that without A Man In Charge a family is dysfunctional.

'what it essentially says is that society is built upon men owning their women and children in isolated units and keeping them dependent. outside of this is societies ruin.'

I don't think that is what Gordon Brown, Iain Duncan Smith, Cameron and all the rest are saying. I think they are saying that men have a duty and reponsibility to help to bring up their children.

Could it be that "youth workers interviewed on TV and Gordon Brown and just about every decision maker and think tank in the country" are mostly men?

Just sayin'

Hagocrat, I don't think it blames mothers. I think it blames absent fathers, who are feckless, irresponsible and do not provide the role model that they should be providing. I think those are the people that Gordon Brown is blaming, and on that issue I agree with him.

and actually it's an idea that goes back hundreds of years, not just decades

You have made it personal, saf, by accusing me personally of slagging off single mothers. I have not slagged off single mothers and nor has Gordon Brown. I am offended that you have accused me of that. It is a shame that people can't discuss opinions held by youth workers interviewed on TV and Gordon Brown and just about every decision maker and think tank in the country without being accused of slagging off single mothers.

just because all the political parties have said it for a long time, that doesn't make it correct!