Some men really hate women being single don't they?

SaF yes I have "rescued" a few very young women in my time.

It's another situation where the attention seems to lessen as you get older. While some would claim that this is for obvious reasons (men preferring younger women) I have a suspicion that many of these men deliberately target inexperienced girls as they know they will be flustered and not know what to do, which makes it more fun.

Certainly I had learnt by about 25 how to deal a bit better with all of this, and get rid of the less persistent ones. At 16 I was much more polite and didn't know what I was supposed to do to get rid of them. So I think there may be something there. Similar to the reason creepy men often target schoolgirls.

I love the way that some people on these threads love to caricature many of the posters as aggressive harridans who are hanging around in meat markets and then getting outraged when some poor unsuspecting nice young chap tries to talk to them, sending him away with his tail between his legs in an indignant rage.

When in actual fact what is being talked about are situations where men (who know that they are not wanted) pester, annoy and intimidate women because they feel like it, they are well aware that their attentions are not welcome but they carry on doing it anyway.

For what feels like the millionth time, do you honestly think it is ok to keep bothering someone when they've asked you to leave them alone politely?

We're not talking about "owning public space", just the basic courtesy of not forcing a total stranger to talk to you.

We're also not talking about people just talking, we are talking about the situations where someone is trying to force you to date them/fuck them.

Do you honestly think that anyone (male or female) should have to put up with someone insisting that they do something when they have been told no? Because this is what it boils down to. When someone says no should it be respected as "no" or should others me free to ignore it?

Wamster, have you seen sites such as Hollaback, or the London Anti-Street Harassment Campaign? The Guardian reported on it, and I can't find the article right now but the comments section ran to almost 500 posts, mostly from women describing comments, stares, whistles, assault, following...

It's really off for you to characterise women as taking offence as 'every little thing' when for thousands of women intrusive male behaviour makes navigating public space a pain in the arse at best, and significantly traumatic at worst.

If you don't find it intrusive, or you haven't experienced it, then I am genuinely pleased for you. But please have the respect for others who don't share your views.

I haven't reported filthy. I was genuinely interested in why you were all so hell bent on dismissing people's feelings and experiences. But it is apparent that none of you are engaging with the conversation we were having, just making accusations about feminists in general and what you think we feel/think. Which is fine. There is the rest of MN and the rest of the internet to do that, if you wish.

What a shock - all women's experiences are not the same.

two articles I found interesting

stop hitting on me

and (probably already linked)

Schrödinger?s Rapist

It would appear that some men are rude. Not necessarily abusive or anything, just rude. Just as some women are. I bet some of the posters here have done things and others have thought, 'that is rude of them'.

I think this thread should go in the etiquette section not feminism.

I don't know why filthyfunkproject has been reported -not on what I can see written here anyway, but as some people here seemingly take offence at every little action their fellow human beings carry out, it is no surprise.

Well if the explanation will get reported, then it must be personal or sexist or racist i.e. breaking MN guidelines. Which is interesting...

What's the point in trying to explain?- it will only get reported.

I can understand you not seeing this as an issue if you have never experienced it, but that doesn't mean to say other people haven't and it isn't an issue for them. Diminishing their experiences and their feelings in this matter by saying comments such as "The women moaning that men give them unwanted attention, will be the same women moaning that they've become 'invisible' when they're old" is rude and derogatory. Again I just wonder why you, Wamster and jenny feel the need to do that, filthy?

The lynx adverts are appalling - I don't know how they get away with it tbh.

yes, SGM - alcohol is probably the problem tbh.

No I'm not saying anyone is lying - I'm giving you my experiences.