Some men really hate women being single don't they?

"nobody has to respond to my posts here. Nobody can hijack a thread, that is ridiculous" (etc etc)

Now imagine a bloke in a bar saying this:

"Nobody has to respond to my repeated attempts to engage you in conversation. Nobody can hijack a conversation, that is ridiculous. All you've got to do is toughen the fuck up and ignore me."

Anyway, thanks for the tip Wamster - I'll ignore you from now on then, and you can't complain about it because, well, it was your idea :o

"We get the trolls we need" sounds very philosophical!

I hope we don't get the trolls we deserve. As that would make us terrible, terrible people

swallowedAfly, nobody has had to respond to my posts here. Nobody can hijack a thread, that is ridiculous.

Seriously, and I am not being sarcastic, if you do intend to take action in real life over what you perceive to be persistent men you're going to have to be a little tougher because, honestly, a tough person would just ignore me, think, 'this person is an idiot' and just ignore my posts.

Ah thanks for posting that Wamster. You're of course quite right and now you've shown me the light I've got this really great idea!

I'm going to post about it on a website, like forum kind of thing, where there are lots of women, so that they don't feel that its just them, and can discuss the issue amongst other women. Then maybe less women will feel they just have to accept it, and can then challenge people who say they are just being silly.

Oh wait, did someone try that...

Yeah, what SAF said.

What SaF said.

I said that it is men who need to change their behaviour, but unless pressure is put on them to change by others, they won't change because people who see nothing wrong with their behaviour do not change unless it is pointed out to them in some way by others.

In other words, women and the rest of society have to do something to make them (men) change their the men's behaviour.
So, if a woman thinks persistent chatting -up is an issue, she has to take some kind of action against it (I don't see it as a problem, but those that do should take action).

Christ, this is so simple a concept, I don't know why you don't get it?

And, seriously, if you won't even contemplate ringing the police when a man threatens you, (if you are able to get to and use a phone, of course) don't whinge if they don't help and slag them off for not assisting.

Sorry; just not excited enough about this to get into the weeds about it. If you don't agree with my point then fair enough.

No-one has suggested 'absolutes' jenny. Where did you get that idea from?

Were the attitudinal problems the only problems? Is this case representative of the whole of the UK's Police Force?

I didn't say there weren't / aren't problems and if that's how my posts read then I haven't been clear. I am suggesting that it's disingenous and possibly harmful - to suggest absolutes. Again (again) all I'm saying is that it's too strong to say that the police tend to dismiss women's complaints. I take tend to to mean that in the majority of cases it is what happens. The existence of cases where it has happened does not negate that sentiment.

I don't think this is that contraversial a point is it?

The report into the handling of the warboys case cited attitudinal problems though, jenny. It's not just one anon comment in the DM.

buzz I do take your point, honestly I do - but do I necessarily believe an anonymous quote in the Daily Mail? Absolutely not. Again, all I'm saying is that it's too strong to say that the police tend to dismiss women's complaints. If we're talking about increasing victim's liklihood of reporting something, I can only see that these negative generalisations would harm that effort. Anyway... this is off-topic

So you say that's it's stalking and then say it isn't.

Well that's cleared that up then.

But the situation you describe is called stalking, SardineQueen, the police have a duty to look into such behaviour.

Admittedly, this would have to take place over several time periods and not just a one-off incident in a pub where the bloke did not immediately go away but, nevertheless, went away eventually and for good without actually causing harm or threats to the other person.

Anyway, if a person does feel threatened, then surely they should call the police thus putting the onus on the police to take action?

I'm sorry that those who feel threatened do not call the police, that's what they are they for.

"It is up to women to campaign for change. No, we can't do that, they say."

Who is "they"?

Women can and do campaign for change. It's called FEMINISM.

If you feel that there is no point in talking to anyone on this thread then why do you keep at it?

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT "THREATENING BEHAIOUR" IN THE WAY THE POLICE WOULD UNDERSTAND IT. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PERSISTENT ATTENTION, MEN WHO WON'T LEAVE YOU ALONE, MEN WHO MAKE YOU FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE, MEN WHO DECIDE THAT THE USUAL RULES OF SOCIAL INTERACTION WITH STRANGERS DO NOT APPLY TO THEM.

Your posts are bizarre. Why are you now referring to your own posts as if other people had written them? These "others" you speak of are actually just you, one person.

HandDivedScallopsrgreat,

I am at my wits' end with some people here; they don't like men threatening them. Perfectly reasonable, I think.

So others say, quite reasonably, 'thought about contacting the police when this happens?' The answer: No, I won't call them, they won't listen.
The fact that they made a phone call to the police -which will be LOGGED- in which they said they felt threatened which would prove useful in a court of law seems irrelevant to them.

Or they say that it is the men who should change their behaviour. Well, yes, of course (x one million) men making threatening behaviour is wrong, but the men who threaten are OK with it and see no reason to change themselves so it is up to women to do what they can to put pressure on these men to change, because, let's face it, the men aren't going to change otherwise because they are entitled scum who see nothing wrong with their behaviour.
It is up to women to campaign for change.

No, we can't do that, they say. So the rational person, quite reasonably after having two reasonable suggestions rebuffed thinks: well there is sweet F.A. women can do apart from stay in the house and not go out.