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anti feminist lesbian

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rainbowtoenails · 30/07/2011 16:44

I have friends who are and arent feminists and straight and gay friends and i accept peoples right to their own opinion.

BUT for some reason i am frustrated by my anti feminist lesbian friend. It's like i feel that she should be 'on our side' as ridiculous and unreasonable as that sounds. I know that i am effectively discriminating against her compared to straight friends (who i maybe have lower expectations of?).

Most of the men i know are more 'feministy' eg anti-porn, anti-sexist language than her.

I'm confused, im not usually this judgemental, honest!

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filthyfunkproject · 31/07/2011 09:15

Are you seriously suggesting all lesbians have to be feminists? - That's like saying all people who support unions and workers rights have to be socialist.
she doesn't feel disadvantaged enough to get angry I suppose, and she's not overly political. She has lots of male friends but she's not sexually or emotionally hung up on them ( obviously) so they have little impact on her personal life. She'd rather talk about football and rugby tbh - which is fine by me.

And she's not 'anti-feminist' - she's just not obsessed with feminism like a lot of lesbians are - she's 50 so seen and heard it all before.

ARepleteHmmSkiNun · 31/07/2011 08:40

That's simply not on filthyfunkproject
Surely all women and all men should, ideally be feminists as it is progressive and would be better for everyone?
Why let some lesbians have different ideas and beliefs?

filthyfunkproject Sat 30-Jul-11 17:22:38
I have a lesbian friend who isn't a feminist at all, in fact, she finds lesbian feminists very dull and predictable and tends to avoid them. Feminism is not a prerequisite for lesbianism.
People are free to define themselves in anyway they like

ARepleteHmmSkiNun · 31/07/2011 08:32

KRIKRI Sat 30-Jul-11 19:21:53
Internalised Oppression?

Externalised Happiness?

joaninha · 30/07/2011 23:37

I have a lesbian friend who is way less feminist than me. My half thought out theory on it is that her relationships with men are platonic and therefore more relaxed. She doesn't feel dependent on them or their opinion or that she needs to defer to them as her friendships with them are devoid of that usual sexual dynamic.

Well that's my half arsed theory. It makes sense in my head!

KRIKRI · 30/07/2011 19:21

Internalised Oppression?

MrsReasonable · 30/07/2011 19:17

Could you expand on her 'anti'-feminism? Is it just that she doesn't want to label herself as a feminist, or that she inherently disagrees that women should be equal with men?

filthyfunkproject · 30/07/2011 17:22

I have a lesbian friend who isn't a feminist at all, in fact, she finds lesbian feminists very dull and predictable and tends to avoid them. Feminism is not a prerequisite for lesbianism.
People are free to define themselves in anyway they like.

Thandeka · 30/07/2011 17:08

interesting. I was tempted to start a thread on whether lesbians were more likely to be feminists or not but chickened out. But diversity is the spice of life and all that and your friend doesn't have to assign herself to any position just because of her sexual orientation- that's ridiculous (and having just posted that I realise why I chickened out of posting my thread title as felt I was being ridiculous too!)

floyjoy · 30/07/2011 16:55

I sometimes think that there can be an expectation that members of groups marginalised by the mainstream will automatically be more politicised because they have lived with alienation, discrimination and prejudice. Not saying that applies to you, just generally. Don't know about your friend, though!

Hell is other people!

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