anti feminist lesbian

FJ; No I didn't want an argument - but I would have been up for a calm reasonable chat -

Does your friend say 'I'm not a feminist'? Or does she simply disagree with you on some topics? Because there is a longstanding variant of lesbian feminism that is in favour of porn as a tool of sexual exploration and promoting diversity, and which also sometimes embraces the use of 'offensive' words as a way of reclaiming them and/or rejoicing in busting the taboos around women using 'bad language'.

floy - it may be off-topic, but it's interesting isn't it? I agree that the labelling of people as 'pc' is done by people who really want to attack the idea that language has any meaning/importance - do you often find they're also (bizarrely, and with some self-contradiction) people who insist that words have one, un-nuanced 'meaning'? Odd, I reckon.

"Feminist" God i hate that word!!

FFP - Maybe you just want to start an argument... but if you re-read my post I don't mention Tories at all. Didn't even imply that all right wing people(not all of whom would call themselves Tories) would/do use racist language, etc.

I'm surprised that anyone these days thinks of Tories as right wing and Labour as not right wing?! If only. Tony Blair's government was left wing?

Language useage/types of language just isn't something that can be discussed in terms of something as relatively minor as political parties. Language is all-encompassing, ever-changing and crucial to our sense of identity and how we perceive and understand the world.

floyjoy - So all Tories say offensive things? - or would do if Labour let them get away with it?

Morten - yeah. Off-topic, also....but

'Politically correct/political correctness' is a right-wing term used to attack attempts to challenge racism, anti-disabilty, sexism, homophobia. It was employed by right wing media (i.e. mainstream media) in fictional stories about LAs (those awful public sector institutions) banning nursery rhymes, changing words, etc, cancelling Christmas, etc. At first it was directed against the idea that language is important and can be oppressive (it reflects our attitudes and shapes them), that it might not be okay to call someone a 'spaz' or assume that a chairman was always a 'man'.

The fact that it annoyed the Daily Mail, The Sun, etc. is because it had an impact that ran against their core values of racism, sexism, etc. which must surely be good?

Basically, PC'ness is shorthand for - 'shut up and say only what we allow you to say'

Or shorthand for "stop saying offensive things''.

Sorry, I realise that's slightly off topic.

I've never met a politically correct feminist. It would be a bit of an own goal.

lol lol lol-i like this[......is like having the vicar]-oh im sure its not that bad filthy.

I said 'lesbians like it' - not 'every single lesbian in the world likes it' - I don't know them all.
For me personally, being around PC feminists is like having the vicar constantly standing behind you - you can't relax.

yep-i agree with the first paragraph-just pointing out that not all lesbians like porn-as youre post came across as otherwise.

Just because you're sexually attracted to the same sex doesn't mean you have to be a feminist who hates porn. That's all I'm saying. I personally know lesbians who use porn - just like I know men who can take it or leave it.

I think the op's friend sounds like a good laugh actually - you know, a bit interesting - feminism isn't exactly the most exciting subject to be obsessed about is it -

filthyfunkproject[and as for porn-lesbians like it(i know this to be true)

well no-this isnt true.i dont.

If only more people suffered from it - >

Agree with that.

rainbowtoenails - It sounds like your friend is suffering from maturity

should, not such

Here's a very good and oft linked piece on parenting as not really a lifestyle choice: bitchphd.blogspot.com/2004/07/feminism-101.html

Also, if someone doesn't want to make allowances for people having children, they such not be able to use any services provided by anyone's children. They can live on a little island by themselves.

ffp - Ed Miliband? A socialist?

Alice - yes that's true, but you can be a Tory and support workers rights - likewise, you can be a socialist and disagree with strike action - I give you Ed Miliband.

Rainbow - wrt Political correctness gone too far, I'd have to agree with her. Basically, PC'ness is shorthand for - 'shut up and say only what we allow you to say - you are no longer free to have an opinion that isn't ok'd by the ruling elite - we will brainwash our most intelligent until they're all too scared to speak out, anyone who dares stray from the script will be called an ignorant bigot' - PC = order & control. They now control your minds.

And as for porn - lesbians like it ( I know this is true )

Sexism does exist in the media - she's wrong there.

Parenting - well yes, no one forces you to have kids - shut up and get on with it.

ffp - historically, and it could be argued, necessarily, there has been a strong link between worker's rights, unions and socialism. Can anyone envisage a situation where the connection was never made?