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I have a question about attitudes to lesbianism

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TheRealMBJ · 23/07/2011 11:13

Prompted by skim reading the very interesting separatist thread, it just occurred to me that lesbianism is still very much demonised in society. The media and individuals who are very supportive of gay-rights seem to sneer at lesbians. I don't quite get it. Confused

Surely if it is accepted that homosexuality is normal it should be the same for men and women?

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HerBeX · 25/07/2011 20:12

And look how hard Josephine Butler et al had to fight, to get an age of consent enshrined in law at all.

HerBeX · 25/07/2011 20:11

Absolutely SaF

That's why the age of consent for homosexual sex was much higher for years after it had become legal to engage in homosexual sex.

swallowedAfly · 25/07/2011 20:09

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ajaybaines · 25/07/2011 20:04

Aha, a myth about queen victoria - but the guy who wrote the act did leave lesbians out of it.

ajaybaines · 25/07/2011 20:03

Isn't this why it was illegal to be a homosexual male but not a homosexual female? Because when Queen Victoria was asked to sign the act making it illegal she said "women don't do that". More shocking in Victorian times to be a lesbian than a gay male - in fact, just unheard of.

Is that a total urban myth??? Must google it, I was told that at school and hadn't thought about it til now.

swallowedAfly · 25/07/2011 19:56

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aliceliddell · 25/07/2011 19:25

MBJ - why, are you offering?

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TheRealMBJ · 25/07/2011 19:03

Without the squirt, I'd hope Grin

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aliceliddell · 25/07/2011 18:52

I'll have that doughnut.

aliceliddell · 25/07/2011 18:51

Floy - Gin, please. At least Blue Nun (chilled). Standards, darling.

floyjoy · 25/07/2011 18:51

SAF -yes, and also that same-sex sex (sorry) is seen as lesser, despite the fact that logically it might seem that it has a greater chance of being mutually satisfying due to a knowledge of how the body works.

Focussing on squirting jam into a doughnut is so reductive.

aliceliddell · 25/07/2011 18:49

Yes, it bloody is, SaF. I kind of think this is the ultimate expression of gender inequality really; the fact it's unquestioned by most 'progressives' just emphasises that.

floyjoy · 25/07/2011 18:46

Sorry, Alice.

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aliceliddell · 25/07/2011 18:43

Oh, Floy! How could you be so crude? Shock they don't do that, do they?

floyjoy · 25/07/2011 18:38

I am aware of people talking about lesbiansas if they are a little 'feeble', as if they haven't quite realised that they aren't having real sex and that if/when they did they would possibly change. Why would anyone reject PIV unless they weren't thinking 'right'? It's another example of female mental deficiency!

I cannot believe some of the crap lesbians face, some of which is from women who usually mention their repulsion at the idea of giving a woman oral sex.

aliceliddell · 25/07/2011 18:24

I said before on another thread, the 'full sex' thing is about reproduction (women's true purpose) which involves sperm, which involves male orgasm. But piv sex doesn't make most women come (I think 25% ish?) So it's v. male centred, and the thing about gay men/bum sex is true, SaF, I agree.

TheAtomicBum · 25/07/2011 16:49

SAF, I've heard of this bizare concept before, but never in a serious like. It's a rediculous excuse. Everyone I know what be just as annoyed as other types of sexual relations. (This is reminding me of the Bill Clinton arguement years ago - "I did not have sexual relations with that woman!" Does everyone remember that? And no one believed that wasn't cheating.)

Anyway, yes, the idea of penetrative sex being "full" sex is prevelant in our society, I agree. Think of the "bases" system that people joked about in college (And that was the girls who did this more than boys) where a "home run" was full pentration.

swallowedAfly · 25/07/2011 16:32

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aliceliddell · 25/07/2011 16:26

I was talking about what I believe are common perceptions, not what I personally think. Interesting idea about desire being seen as inherently masculine because it's powerful. Hadn't really thought about it like that.

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TheRealMBJ · 25/07/2011 16:11

Yes, thanks sAf Smile

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TheRealMBJ · 25/07/2011 16:10

Yy. There is definitely a belief that women 'give-in' to men when it comes to sex. That it is something of a duty or a chore. But still I think that that belief stems from the fact that desire is so, how to put it, strong that it just can't really be reconciled with being a very feminine thing.

I'm nit expressing myself very well...

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swallowedAfly · 25/07/2011 16:09

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TheAtomicBum · 25/07/2011 16:07

The thing is, Real, women do have sexuial desire. It doesn't have to be aggressive and only male.

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