David beckham - "you have to be a lot more delicate with girls" - what a tool.

it's true! And also, Beckham didn't even play in that game. He was an unused substitute. Being so young, and having the nous to go and see an opposing player at a time of crisis is remarkable. The player records it in his memoir, as seeing a small squeaky voiced boy who he had never seen before and being a bit suspicious of him.
And there are other charity/personal stuff that he did when in M/c that goes unrecorded.

There needs a bit of perspective taking.

i have meet DB on quite a few occasions so ner :o

he is a nice guy, really he is not that smart, he is very talented and i will stand by what i say by giving so much of their life to the media they will come in for criticism, everything thing they do is tipped off to the media so you live like that you are in line for a lots of criticism but has never stopped either of them shying away from publicity so doubt they care that much

i think it is a shame he is always seen as mr niceguy and she a bitch, even when he cheated on her she he was still mr niceguy throughout it all

N'aww... I'm actually going to agree with you, AP... He doesn't seem like someone who'd be intentionally sexist. In fact, that comment about Beckham going to see the guy who had his leg broken made me "aww"...

Ok, I'm converted to the DB camp...

And whilst I am on this roll of defending DB, even in the FS!..if anyone sat down with him for a minute, and explained how odd his comment was, I have no doubt he would take it on board.
I think he is 'pure of heart' and commited. Rare values in superstars.

So there.

I have a vested interest in DB though. I saw him play for the reserves of Man U in the early 1990's, a rainy night in Bury. when he was 17. He was outstanding even then.

A couple of years later he was in a squad at Old Trafford when an opposing player had his leg broken in 2 places. Whilst recuperating in Manchester the only player who cam t osee him was Beckham. The player involved ( I think the goalie, by his own admission, thought he was just an autograph hunter! No-one asked him to do that.

So yes. DB is a bit special and I give him a load of leeway.

Good point. I'd have liked to have think she'd have corrected it, had she been misquoted on that, though.

DCMP - I don't know if she did say that. And nor does anyone else it seems. A media production to fit a stereo-type? Maybe.

^Agree with AP.

FS - I don't think DB has done all of the things you indicate he has. His life hasn't been a sort of Andre do dah thing and Jordan thingy at all. We know v. little about their sons, and rightly so. He doesn't need to court publicity at all. He has a very good agent who knows how to manage things for him whilst he stays fit to do his job.

I do like him in a few ways. Dislike his wife in a few others.

AP, maybe... but then it was VB who said herself she'd never read a whole book.

DCMP - I have a sort of faith in the boy for him to not allow their girl to be named on a fraudulent whim.

I can believe Victoria Beckham has read the book- most Year 8s manage just fine. I'm sure she is more intelligent than people give her credit for. A lot of the sniping is rather mean.

no not at all

you sell your whole life to the press, you inform the press of everything you do you lose your privacy, and the children have no choice in the matter. yes he is a world famous football player but that does not mean you have to sell your life to hello, make tv programmes about your home life and tweet about every little thing you are doing you are going to come in for some criticism too

I do find the suggestion that VB has read "To Kill A Mockingbird" somewhat amusing...

But hey, it's the DM. They've probably twisted what he said about being "more delicate with girls" for their own misogynistic agenda.

FS - you're bring a bit harsh there? I doubt if DB has shown signs of being obsessed with the publicity thing. He is a global phenomenon by dint of what he does, but as 'uneducated' as he presents, I do see a sort of honesty about him. His wife, well maybe not so.

of course the press will be obsessed with getting pictures of her, she has parents that are obsessed with staying in the public eye and are happy to sell their whole life to gain publicity

he has never been known for his intelligence, shame when he has those elocution lessons to rid him of his silly voice they did not encourage him to stop talking and tweeting his thoughts too

BoF - exactly.

leave him alone. Their children are much loved and wanted.

Well, he's wrong, clearly, but he sounds very much in love, and I'm going to let this one go.

that name would have been so cool stayfrosty

i would have fallen in love with her if' she'd picked that one

Moonlight - Frosty's point stands.

Any name they chose would have attracted criticism. I take it you are not particularly fond of the name Harper. OK fine.

The point is, that even if they had chosen a very popular, pedestrian name like Chloe or Olivia or Isabella - they would still have taken a load of flak for it.

Probably not from the sorts of people that don't like Harper; they probably would have approved of one of these names. But there would have been a huge group of other people who would have vilified them for being so boring and unoriginal, and for saddling their baby with such a common name which will date in no time.

Do you see? It's not a matter of saying all names are equal, but of saying that no matter what the name itself is, it would have come in for a load of criticism from one quarter or another.

Sorry - this is OT, but it does seem as if Moonlight is having a bit of trouble getting this point! :)

Harper's a lovely name. They may not have meant if for the author, but it'd also be a great feminist name and I would imagine if they stay in the States the little girl will get told about the author.

I wonder if DB is doing what lots of people seem to do with newborns and finding something amazing and different about them (that other people, erm, maybe don't see!). It'd be worse if he said 'oh, boring, another baby'.