The Myths About Women Who "Cry Rape"

Yes, that's true Spoons.

I've also known two women, and I was convinced they were doing it to regain some sort of control. They were chosing the worst type of scum they could find, and had some idea that by doing so they inflicting punishment or taking some sort of sexual control. I didn't quite understand it, though. It has something to do with viewing the act as a weapon that should be harnessed, not as an act of loving/pleasure/intimacy to be shared.

I've just had a good look through google. Whilst I have found lots of write ups on the subject from victims (and one from a councillor), there is no actual article on the subject that I can find.

I don't know about statistics, but I will varify it. As I've mentioned, I've known of rape and abuse hapening to people, and it is highly common to respond with promiscuity (horrid word, but it's the best I can think of). It has to do with self esteem issues and normalising the event. I have read about it, but can't find any links at the moment.

have we got any statistics of the men that take advantage of women/girls that have been previously abused/raped please?
and have we got any statistics of women that have suffered from being called liars please?

I just worked out the statistics, and it's actually 29.175% in 2006, according the Forcett report. (confused).

I've never seen Wiki be wrong, as far as I know. There's so many people on it, if you put something wrong it gets edited out pretty quickly (or so I'm told).

Also, RE the mental health, they also are known to retract their claims as they feel more ashamed of it and blame themselves becasue they can't rationalise why they were not in control at the time. Add mental health stigma to rape stigma, and it's not hard to see why.

I've read all your posts on this thread. When you say "I came on asking questions", that is just not true*. Your very first post did nothing of the sort. Your very first post said: "Try not to get wound up about the insults! This forum is notably intolerant and hostile if you are not part of the claque. I keep posting despite that, as it is important that proper debate takes place, and occasionally it does.

There are no good statistics AFAIK about false allegations, on rape or other crimes (unless you are prepared to count things like false accusations against teachers, which can be shown to be on the rise, some of which are sexual in nature). For other crimes, estimates vary. So there is plenty of space in this question to make whatever assertion you like.

There are admitted cases if rape (and other offences) where false allegations have been made, but it is not because of these that all evidence does have to be fully tested in Court - that is in itself an important pillar of the judicial system and one that (rightly) applies to any trial."

There is not a single question in that post. In fact, you positioned yourself as already knowing the facts about this topic. You made no fewer than seven assertions of fact.

So there's no point in posting now with a wounded tone of "I was merely trying to find out a bit more" when the fact that you were absolutely not doing so is recorded for all to see.

*Ironic, given the topic

Lenin, what has been put at 10%? False allegations or reported cases? Or convictions, which I didn't mention. I'll post this one again:

www.fawcettsociety.org.uk/documents/Rape%20-%20The%20Facts.doc

Wikipedia has the answer: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

HOWEVER:

ive been abused/raped[and nearly murdered]in the past.
as ive said before-when this happens to someone it can lead to more abuse.
im not going to say when this started or ended-but i will say that sometimes and even often-it can go on and on.
being basiccally told no one believes you in the first place is just as devistating as the abuse/rape itself[themself]
the rape and then get told you a liar completly fucks you up-and you never get over it.
if you was telling lies i doubt that x years later you would still be devistated
anyway-this leads to all sorts of things-more abuse in all sorts of ways.
prostistution/drugs/alchahol sometimes.
for some of us-we end up doing anything/putting up with anything just to be "wanted"!
in this-we will be called names like"slag and whore"!
we are not as good as the next woman-cos after all-how can we be-we are "used goods"straight from the off![in societys eyes]
right-heres the bigger picture-society-well the partriarchy to be exact WANTS and NEEDS women like us-we are a commodity to them.
where would some of the men in society be without us?
for the ones that dont rape us-they can have us easily cant they.
we end up with no self esteem and they can do with us what they like[im not on about all men]
we become "easy"in all sorts of ways-and this is a good thing for some men.
the partriarchy needs us and untill people realise this-rapists will get away with rape and the abuse will carry on.
other men will carry on taking advantage of women who have been raped/abused and women will carry on suffering.

DCMP, excellent point re the maths. It's 5 to 8% of the 15% that are reported that turn out to be false. That means between 98.8 and 99.25% of women saying they've been raped are in fact telling the truth.

MissHodgeInHay, you are wilfully missing the point. Enormous, disproportionate attention is paid to the vanishingly small number of cases in which the woman has made a false allegation. The British court system is already set up to favour finding someone innocent over finding someone guilty, precisely to protect defendants. What gets very little air time is the fact that thousands of women are being raped every year with no punishment for their offenders.

DF, given the vilification poor Ms Banon has faced since she broke her silence, I'd say that her mother was actively seeking to protect her in the face of a horrible, traumatic choice - suffer in silence or face public assault on top of private assault.

If you read my posts, you'll see that I came on asking questions (this is because I wanted to understand more about the issue and had hoped that knowledge would be shared).

As I am being criticised by all sides, it's beginning to seem that such an approach, which starts with trying to find what the actual evidence is, is not welcomed in this forum.

Both those articles I linked to above put the reporting figure at 55-75%, which is far higher that the 15% it was at 20 years ago. And those allegations that were listed as being 8%, only an estimated 2 or 3% were actually false. The others were what the officer decided didn't "constitute a crime" for whatever reason, not that they were lying.

As for mental health issues, they may not have been lies. Mental health and learning disabilities feature in a large number of rape cases. Which again, I happen to have seen. Rape is when some either does not, or is unable to give reasonable consent. When someone is mentally ill, they are not able to. Unfortunately, it is not always easy to prove what happened because the victim may not know for sure what actually happened, in which case someone could very well have had sex with them when they were unable to prevent it and therefor it is rape.

Meditrina, I'll be kind to people like DCMP. I see no reason to be kind to people who want me to help them do research to show why we shouldn't believe rape victims. Ever heard of confirmation bias? You've just shown it in spades. The 5 to 8% false allegation rate is in line with other crimes. And casting doubt on the credibility of rape victims (I'm so sorry, "testing the veracity of the witness's statement") is notoriously the standard defense of rapists. So I think you can let out a big sigh of relief, secure in the knowledge that they've got this one covered.

Skipping the board invasion and going back to the original post, well done to this woman for coming forward. What I don't understand is how this man's wife is standing by him when it's clear he has at the very least cheated on her and at the worst raped someone.

It's a shame the journalists mum talked her out of reporting the assault at the time.

Silly moonferret this is not a discussion forum. This is a place where men are all potential rapists, rapist apologisers and all round women abusers.

Everyone on here knows no woman ever lied about being raped, they were just dismissed by a male dominated court system and misrepresented by male owned media.

No more of that 'innocent until proven guilty' heretical talk.