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objectification!

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dadof2ofthem · 23/06/2011 23:05

ok, this is a serious question
i was talking to a female friend of mine recently, she's educated and emancipated etc, i said "i dont get the 'objectification' argument, i've never once been aroused by an object"

she laughed and told me "it's object as apposed to subject " "ahhhh" i said as though it had just dawned on me what she ment.

if your objective your inpartial, well thats my understanding anyway, and subjective meants your subject to some other force , influencing your opinion.

maybe one of you can fill the gaps for me ?

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dadof2ofthem · 25/06/2011 07:42

HerBeX if your still watching here , i've been thinking about what you said....

i dont think the chipendales are gay dancers, wouldnt suprise me if some were , but i would think most were straight males.
men at strip-shows dont sit there wanking.
i do agree with you that men and women react in a differnt way to a striptease, women tend to have fun where men just look glumly on trying not to blink incase they miss something. but after all you have said condemning female objectification i find it hipocritical of you to condone male strippers.

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dadof2ofthem · 25/06/2011 07:37

fifis no that wasnt me, i stay away from the breastfeeding/bottle threads, they seem to go around in circles
i'm not expecting a carte-blanche with all your blessings for me to go and consume porn. but some things all of you have avoided and you come back to exploitation, rape , suffering and degradation.
1, porn made by women for women
2, male strippers, it would be hipocritical so have fun watching a male stripper on a hen night or something and in the same breath condemn a female one
3, people who are exhibisionist by nature posting pictures of themselves for example on the 'voyeurweb' surely this harms no one and the 'subject'activly wants to be 'object' by people the subject do know.

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MisterDarsey · 24/06/2011 23:06

It's not people like dadof2 who need advice about pornography and objectification - it's their wives and girlfriends.

Fifis25StottieCakes · 24/06/2011 22:57

Dad - There was a dad of somone discussing breast feeding last night, i was just being nosy and wondered if it was you

blackcurrants · 24/06/2011 20:22

OP if you are looking for permission to keep using porn, or to be told that 'some porn isn't that bad' or 'don't worry about it, it's your choice'
YOU WILL NOT FIND IT HERE.

Porn objectifies women. The very EXISTENCE of porn makes the lives of other, ordinary women more difficult. If you want to stop objectifying women you need to STOP USING PORN.

There is no 'good' porn, sorry. There's no way for you to both use porn AND claim that you aren't a misogynist. If you're reaching orgasm over a woman's suffering and degradation, then you are a misogynist.

sparky246 · 24/06/2011 20:13

Dadof2-
do you look at pictures/paintings and webpictures of consenting males?
if you do-what do you feel and if you dont-why not?

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dadof2ofthem · 24/06/2011 19:33

eric upthread i said that pornographers , in my opinion, havnt got a clue what makes good erotica. my sexuality is most certainly not limited to blond babes with pnumatic breasts . i agree with you totaly
celadon ......what?

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celadon · 24/06/2011 19:26

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dadof2ofthem · 24/06/2011 19:23

fifis i dont even know what a BF thread is , but i can tell you i do not post under any names than this one and dadof2littlebuggers , that account was banned

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EricNorthmansMistress · 24/06/2011 19:22

What I don't understand about porn users is how bloody boring and unimaginative it is. Always the same, variations on a theme, uh uh yeah yeah bang bang tits and fannies and all so fake

How can your sexuality be so limited? It depresses me, and not (necessarily) because of the exploitation/objectification element. Human sexuality is so much better than pornography would suggest.

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dadof2ofthem · 24/06/2011 19:20

ok, it's like this , dittany & anyfucker are incapable of reasonable debate , i will carry on this conversation, i want to, i started it for a reason, i will carry on here if anyone else finds this worth talking about .
but
i will simply be ignoring the afore-mentioned posters as though they wernt posting.

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celadon · 24/06/2011 18:50

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Fifis25StottieCakes · 24/06/2011 18:44

Op were you on a BF thread last night. Could be wrong

Catitainahatita · 24/06/2011 18:32

Dadof this brings me back to point (1) and (2).

Look: you feel bad about using porn and want to find a way of justifying it to yourself. You are not going to find it here. We want you to change your mind and stop objectifying women and stop contributing to the porn industry's exploitation of women.

If you can't understand that; if you are going to continue with your search for someone to tell you what you do "doesn't hurt anyone" and is not like the "bad porn" you might want to post elsewhere.

LilBB · 24/06/2011 17:40

Is there such a thing as 'harmless porn'? I would say that it is similar to saying that buying a bit of weed from the local drug dealer doesn't harm anyone. The money goes on to fund things that are far from harmless.

AnyFucker · 24/06/2011 17:15

he will be more than happy to pm it to you

dittany · 24/06/2011 17:13

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dadof2ofthem · 24/06/2011 17:11

point 5 is a hard taskmaster cat and with respect only your opinion, could it be that some porn is not abusive/exploitative and is consentual?
is that not possible?

clearly if someone puts an image of themslevs on the net it will still be objectifying them if i dont know them, but as was established earlier in the thread , not by me ,
being an object of attention, or desire is not nesseseraly bad .
not looking for a get out of jail free card but will none of you at least conceed that there are varing levels of porn

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AnyFucker · 24/06/2011 17:11

dittany, I wonder if you read dadof's post under his (now banned) previous name ?

you would be in further agreement with me if you have

AnyFucker · 24/06/2011 17:09

I am also of the opinion you are a wanker

your posts lead me to that

dittany · 24/06/2011 17:07

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AnyFucker · 24/06/2011 17:07

you are certainly talking wank, dadof

not so much of a leap (for you) really, is it ?

Catitainahatita · 24/06/2011 17:03

Dadof2: I refer you to point (5). Obviously, you think that your pleasure is more important than any other consideration. I see no need to continue this discussion.

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dadof2ofthem · 24/06/2011 16:58

ditany so your with anyf you think i'm sat here wanking right now?
i would like to think if i told you my 6 year old is watching tv in the next room and my 2 year old is playing on the floor with his toys next to me would make you belive that i wasnt, but , sadly yours and anyf opinion of me is so terrible that you would still think i'm masterbating.
i consume porn, call me a bastard for that if you like , i dont consume mumsnet threads for my pleasure, the very thought is riduculous.

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dadof2ofthem · 24/06/2011 16:53

catitainahatita thank you for responding, i doubt my consumption of porn will stop if i am honest but that doesnt mean i'm not serious about this and really wanted to have this conversation,
i want to thank everyone who joined in actually, well, apart from anyf of course.
i may be struggleing with my conscence , not sure really

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