Was Bristol Palin raped?

I agree with Hully

Children below a certain age are not capable of giving consent, therefore we set an arbitrary limit and say "legally only people over this age can give consent".

Plenty of teenagers under 16 (or under 18, depending on the country/state) are legally underage but perfectly capable of giving informed consent. We can talk about Gillick competence if you like, which relates to children being deemed mature enough to consent or not consent to medical procedures, rather than it being the parents' decision.

I think we use language differently. I think going on the pull is predatory. Its being on the hunt for a bloke for a shag.

I think the main problem with the thread is that there are different agendas going on.

Not all male sexual predators are rapists. Not if the woman/man consents.

16 as the age of consent is a purely arbitrary figure. I don't give a shit what age people have sex as long as they are happy and protected.

And I have certainly gone out with specifically predatory intentions.

It may be the feminist section but men need feminist training too. Therefore a feminist section should not be about potraying all men as misogynistic rapists. I have tried to raise my sons with a feminist awareness. They reac feminist issues.

Seems to be the case snorbs and if you argue differently you are a rap apologist

Yes we should also be telling our daughters not to have sex with drunk men or they might be accussed of sexual assault.

However, since this is the feminism section, on this thread I'm more interested in discussing the rather more common occurrence of men sexual assaulting and raping women.

I must be misunderstanding this thread because, for the life of me (and talking in general rather than the specifics of Bristol and Levi), I seem to be reading that if a drunk woman and a drunk man consent to have sex together, and they both subsequently admit that they were too drunk to make that consent reliable (which could be, according to some here, any more than a couple of drinks) and/or memorable, then the woman is the victim of a serious crime that the man has perpetrated on her.

Please tell me I have misunderstood because, on the face of it, that's madness.

Yes dittany i did. Are you denying some women go out on the pull for sex? Just like men. Its hardly shocking. You seem to think women are passive sexually.

I think i shall tell my sons not to have sex until they are marraied. Just to be sure its actual consent.

Both sexes are responsible though, dittany, so the message should be given to everyone.

True, female rapists are a lot less common than male ones, but that's not a good argument for only giving men the education; male rapists are a tiny subset of men overall, so why give this inefficient education to only one gender?

Frankly, I don't like this 'we need to educate men and boys not to rape' line. It objectifies men, and has more than a hint of misandry. It assumes that the default position for men is that they're going to rape someone, and only by being told otherwise by their mother or their school will these actions be avoided. It's complete nonsense!

x-post Riveninside!

Riveninside, the lesson you should also be teaching your sons is, If you don't want to be labelled a rapist, don't have sex with drunk women.

It being "a drunken mistake" doesn't mean its any less rape than attacking a stranger in a darkened alley.

Both sexes hold responsibility for sexual encounters. Not rape.
You cant paint women as these passive creatures waiting for a male. Many women are sexual predators too and gair play to them so they need to know alcohol impairs judgement etc
I have told my sons tro avoid drunken females coming on to them but the average teenage boy would have sex.

Im not saying this well but its not as black and white as dittany would like. Have you sons dittany? Have to ever been drunk and indulged in drunken fumblings and come ons?

Do you then get a whole bunch of strangers judgfing what you did and saying you were raped? I doubt it. I think its gross
Y unfair to label Levi a rapist. None of us know him but without proof and beyond reasonable dount you arebeing judge, jury and executioner.