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Was Bristol Palin raped?

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darleneoconnor · 20/06/2011 11:16

according to this bristol palin was so drunk when she conceived her son that she doesn't remember having sex.

Sounds like rape to me.

Then she was basically 'forced' to marry her rapist? WTF! Sometimes America sounds more like the middle east!

Quite a few forums are discussing this, with some

disgusting rape myths on this forum

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Reality · 23/06/2011 12:05

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TheBossofMe · 23/06/2011 12:01

dittany - irrational is good Grin

PacificDogwood · 23/06/2011 11:58

Smells, "I hope it is a fucking boy" Sad.

Come on, people, play nice now...

PacificDogwood · 23/06/2011 11:57

Apologies for coming (very) late to this - and it took me a while to read 13 pages.

It seems obvious to me that Levy Whatshisname is a little shit, whether he is a rapist or not.
What troubles me about the whole rape discussion in general is that there is no 'graduation' like with homicide: there are so many differentiations from self-defense (acceptable) via manslaughter (no intent) to full on murder.
Surely it is the disregard for a woman's wishes that makes a sexual act rape??
I have struggled with this since Ken Clarke's gaff, but I do find myself agreeing with that rape does not equal rape.
I have not been raped, but have had consensual sex whilst drunk (not to the point that I cannot remember, but certainly disinhibited), that with hindsight I thought was ill advised and regretted, but not rape as I wanted it at the time. And, crucially, the man in question was my peer, had not been trying to get me drunk etc etc.

I think Bristol Palin's case will forever be impossible to call because of all the political/PR implications of how her story gets reported. It is a great shame that her son is unlikely to have a great male role model in his dad Hmm

Re age of consent: absolutely crucial IMO. Although I do feel differently about a 16 year old male sleeping with a 15 year old female than a 25 year old and a 15 year old - rightly or wrongly, my emotional response to those 2 scenarios is different.

lemonmuffin · 23/06/2011 11:55

Far from being 'abhorrent' I'm much more persuaded by hully's arguments than anyone else's on this thread tbh.

Hullygully · 23/06/2011 11:50
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Bennifer · 23/06/2011 11:46

Dittany, can you not see how your attacks on people who disagree with you is unfair?

Hully says "I don't give a shit what age people have sex as long as they are happy and protected"

You twisted that into "young girls in Afghanistan have no protection from men who want to prey on them. Something that you seem to think is A-OK".

That's completely a twist of what she said and you know it. That might work as a debating tactic in some circles but not among rational people, surely?

dittany · 23/06/2011 11:45

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SmellsLikeTeenStrop · 23/06/2011 11:42

I can't seem to access the huffpo page, not through the link here or through a google search. What was his reaction to Bristols pregnancy?

TheBossofMe · 23/06/2011 11:41

That wasn't intended to deflect away from the debate, BTW, not disagreeing with your POV, just the use of that one word.

TheBossofMe · 23/06/2011 11:40

Hmm, interesting side-debate forming in my mind about use of the word mental as an insult, dittany. I hope you don't mind me pointing out that I find it offensive to people with genuine mental illness, a bit like calling someone gay or retarded as an insult. You're a very eloquent person, am sure you can find a better word to use!

dittany · 23/06/2011 11:35

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TheBossofMe · 23/06/2011 11:34

karma - it certainly does.

TheBossofMe · 23/06/2011 11:33

Bennifer - really, I don't see any hatred for women, just women trying to do their best to protect each other. The rest is just semantics and debate about the best way to do that. We may disagree on some things, but I don't think anyone would disagree that we want our children to be safe from assault.

FWIW, I think this section is amongst the most supportive communities on MN. Its helped me beyond measure in recent months.

Hullygully · 23/06/2011 11:32
karmakameleon · 23/06/2011 11:30

Boss, just read that Huffington Post article you linked to. His reaction to her pregnancy says a lot about his attitutes to women doesn't it?

dittany · 23/06/2011 11:29

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Hullygully · 23/06/2011 11:27
Bennifer · 23/06/2011 11:27

It's painful watching this argument. So much hatred for women, it's a wonder why we need men to hate women.

Hullygully · 23/06/2011 11:25

I know, I'll pop over to Afghanistan, dig a pit, and stone myself