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Was Bristol Palin raped?

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darleneoconnor · 20/06/2011 11:16

according to this bristol palin was so drunk when she conceived her son that she doesn't remember having sex.

Sounds like rape to me.

Then she was basically 'forced' to marry her rapist? WTF! Sometimes America sounds more like the middle east!

Quite a few forums are discussing this, with some

disgusting rape myths on this forum

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MrsReasonable · 24/06/2011 18:10

MrsReasonablea? AMrsReasonable? I don't get it, dittany

MrsReasonable · 24/06/2011 18:09

No, we have to have a least some objective baseline of pressure, otherwise girls who just feel that all boyfriends expect sex could feel pressured, and thus the boyfriend would then be labelled under how this statistic is being used as pressuring her into sex when he hadn't. Nitpicking with statistics is important, otherwise what use are they?

karmakameleon · 24/06/2011 18:07

Not telling the truth is generally seen to be lying, isn't it? Confused

karmakameleon · 24/06/2011 18:05

If they felt pressured, they were pressured.

dittany · 24/06/2011 18:05

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HRHMJOFMAGICJAMALAND · 24/06/2011 18:04

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MrsReasonable · 24/06/2011 18:03

But the statistic wasn't X women have felt pressured, it was X women were pressured.

karmakameleon · 24/06/2011 17:57

Presumably the question said something along the lines of "did you feel pressured to have sex?"

Most people would understand that without futher definition. And if you daughter answered yes to that question, wouldn't you be at least a little upset? (Obviously assuming she was telling the truth, because in the interests of fairness we must always remember that teenage girls lie.)

MrsReasonable · 24/06/2011 17:53

Also, re "bad data", it's not so unreasonable to want to know the methods used if we're going to assert points with statistics. If 'pressure' is defined as broad as someone saying 'oh, go on' then it will give a misleading figure.

karmakameleon · 24/06/2011 17:52

Sorry, very true. Forget that when you "chat" on the internet it is all written down.

MrsReasonable · 24/06/2011 17:51

But that hasn't happened here, imo. Just saying that if it's in a recorded form, defamatory statements are libel.

MrsReasonable · 24/06/2011 17:50

It's libel.

karmakameleon · 24/06/2011 17:46

Calling someone a liar is slanderous.

HRHMJOFMAGICJAMALAND · 24/06/2011 17:43

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karmakameleon · 24/06/2011 17:42

FFS, we're on to the bad data thing again. Surely any kind of pressure is bad? Would you be happy for your teenage daughter to be pressured into sex she didn't want?

MrsReasonable · 24/06/2011 17:38

'Pressured into sexual intercourse' is rather vague, do you know the actual question they asked to get that figure? i.e. how did they define 'pressure'?

dittany · 24/06/2011 17:38

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sacredcow · 24/06/2011 17:35

So wouldn't a better OP have been "Is Levi a rapist?"

dittany · 24/06/2011 17:34

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dittany · 24/06/2011 17:32

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karmakameleon · 24/06/2011 17:29

HRH, if you'd had the intelligence and courtesy to recognise that no one has said that women never lie, you wouldn't have had to slander your step daughter on the internet.

dittany · 24/06/2011 17:29

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sacredcow · 24/06/2011 17:29

Women can lie. Women can lie about a whole range of things, including saying that they only had sex becasue they were drunk.

It doesn't mean that all women who say they only had sex because they were drunk are lying or that they are all telling the truth.

I don't see why its anti-feminist or misogynistic to say that.

dittany · 24/06/2011 17:26

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reelingintheyears · 24/06/2011 17:24

HRH...uncalled for.