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Can I ask for some MN support for these women and their right to drive?

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laiyan · 12/06/2011 12:07

Not sure how to word this.
In Saudi Arabia women aren't allowed to drive. Those in the know say that there isn't actually anything in traffic laws prohibiting female driving; they say its just an ingrained tradition that everyone says is law. I can't comment, as I don't know enough about the law.

Can I ask you to read this link? June 17th
Women are going to take the plunge, and start driving on the 17th of june. It wont be a huge organised mass demonstration. Just women quietly getting into their cars and taking the kids to and from school etc. This will make it harder for them, as their experiences will depend on the individual traffic police they encounter. Can i ask you all to support them.

please add yourself to this fb group in support.

thank you

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scallopsrgreat · 15/11/2014 08:08

And 3 1/2 yrs later this is relevant why? Does it make the point she is making irrelevant? Does it make the support irrelevant?

Asator · 14/11/2014 18:39

Funny, I seem to remember in another thread the OP defending the driving ban, as well as the backwards shithole that is Saudia Arabia.

gettingolderbytheday · 28/06/2011 14:26

If men were suffering this sort of apartheid there would be more action on this type of oppression by this regime. How can women be told they can't drive. Imagine if we couldn't here, we would be outraged. Every Mnetter who enjoys the freedom to drive should join this group. We need to do all we can to help these women.

Gooseberrybushes · 18/06/2011 17:20

Well done - I hope this makes a change for you. Your years of frustration will soon come to an end I hope.

threadsoffeeling · 18/06/2011 17:15

Saudi women drive home a point, again
By RIMA AL-MUKHTAR & SIRAJ WAHAB | ARAB NEWS

Published: Jun 17, 2011 21:21

JEDDAH/RIYADH/ALKHOBAR: A number of women across the Kingdom went behind the wheel on Friday, responding to a Facebook campaign urging women to start driving.

The campaign, Women2Drive, called on Saudi women to begin driving their cars on June 17. Although there is no law against women driving in Saudi Arabia, they cannot obtain driver's licenses. The arrest and release of Manal Al-Sharif a few weeks ago for driving in the streets of Alkhobar did not discourage women to press the issue. The campaign was about enabling women to carry out their regular errands just as their husbands and fathers and brothers do.

"The only reason why I did this is because I believe that it's high time for a change and I don't think it would harm anyone if women drive," said one of the women who drove in Jeddah but did not want her name to be made public. "Friday was like a test day, just to see how people would react to us driving. All I can say is that it was more than normal. No one spoke to us and no one even bothered to look at us, it was like its normal for women to be behind the wheel."

Local and international encouragement and support erupted on Twitter.

"Take the wheel. Foot on the gas," said one Twitter message. Another urged: "Saudi women, start your engines!"

There is no accurate estimate of how many women heeded the call, but incidents that were reported resulted in little or no repercussions by police. The Makkah provincial police authority issued a statement in the evening saying no arrests were made.

Maha Al-Qahtani swapped places with her husband, Mohammed, and took the wheel of the family car. For the next 45 minutes, she drove through the Saudi capital.

"No one tried to stop us. No one even looked," said the 39-year-old IT consultant for the government. "We drove past police cars but had no trouble." In fact, the biggest problem for Maha was her husband sitting next to her in the family Hummer.

"He kept telling me to slow down or speed up. He was very fussy," she said.

Al-Qahtani told Arab News by phone that she wanted to make a point: "I took it directly to the streets of the capital." On Twitter, Al-Qahtani described the route she had taken around the city with her husband, saying: "I decided that the car for today is mine."

American photographer Lynsey Addario reported on Twitter that the woman she was with was stopped by six police cars.

"You would think they caught (Ayman) Al-Zawahri," she joked on her Twitter post, referring to the new Al-Qaeda leader.

However, after about 15 minutes the police let the women go, the only punishment being a traffic citation for driving without a license. Addario claims the woman displayed two driver's licenses, though neither was issued in Saudi Arabia.

In Jeddah, one woman said she had been detained by soldiers and escorted home. Others reported being ignored.

Twitter witnessed more than a hundred tweets a minute under the "#women2drive" trend page.

"I have never seen so many people tweeting about one issue, discussing the women driving matter and hoping nothing bad will happen to those women," said Abdulrahman Shata, a Saudi college student. "We men have nothing against those women who are willing to drive. We support them, and I am more than willing to teach my mother and sisters how to drive."

It was reported on Twitter that traffic police did not make arrests.

"I'm tweeting from Alkhobar police station where Manal Al-Sharif was held. I asked them and there have not been any arrest of women," tweeted Zaki Safar, Saudi blogger and women's rights activist. "I have been roaming the streets of Alkhobar and I did not see anything abnormal, it's obvious that the government gave the decision to the Saudi citizens."

Some women posted pictures online. Some admitted taking to the wheel through their tweets and Facebook accounts. There was also no way of independently verifying the accounts of various women

The Facebook page for ?Women2Drive? has been careful to point out that this is not a call for civil protest, but rather a call for women who need to drive to simply start driving. The campaign advised women to carry a valid international driver's license, to be modestly dressed, and to be preferably accompanied by a male guardian.

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BiscuitNibbler · 17/06/2011 23:01

I really hope this works out well. I lived in Saudi for a couple of years as a child and girls couldn't even ride bikes there.

Tolalola · 17/06/2011 22:07

Just saw this on the BBC website and came to see if there were any threads about it.

They're so brave. I hope that this works for them.

Go Saudi women, go!

BooyHoo · 17/06/2011 17:23

just bumping this.

BooyHoo · 17/06/2011 13:15

any news on how this is going yet?

threadsoffeeling · 17/06/2011 13:09

I am sitting here in the safety of my home in the uk, worried and excited all at the same time. Hope its going well.

dadof2ofthem · 17/06/2011 13:01

this 'woman may not drive' thing the saudis have is mindboggleing, they say a woman in control of a machine isnt feminine , totaly crazy
i heard the womans hour on a podcast as i live outside the UK , that woman was so very brave , but i also thought she was taking a huge risk, people are 'disapeard'in saudi if they are thought of as a threat or just rocking the boat.
respect to her for having the balls , and i hope the publicity of this case will aford her some safty.

NasalCoffeeEnema · 16/06/2011 13:34

It seems so obvious once you said it. I think I'm having a slow day

laiyan · 16/06/2011 12:54

A lot of women live abroad, and learn how to drive whilst there. Hence the requirement to have an international driving licence. I really hope no one gets in the car thinking they can have their first driving license that day :(

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NasalCoffeeEnema · 16/06/2011 12:16

I am fully behind them.

One small query though, if they've never been allowed to drive how do they know how?

Riveninside · 16/06/2011 10:33

Supporting the women of KSA here. Inshallah everyone is safe

NasalCoffeeEnema · 16/06/2011 09:18

Behind you/the people taking part all the way

Bloodybridget · 16/06/2011 09:09

great stuff! Have said I will attend - hope to hear good news after tomorrow!

laiyan · 15/06/2011 23:04

:) :) :)
thank you sooo much :)

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DontCallMePeanut · 15/06/2011 21:47

Joined and invited a few friends who will be sympathetic to the cause.

To the women participating in Saudi Arabia, YOU GO, GIRLS! Grin We're behind you 110%

laiyan · 15/06/2011 20:49

Women who plan on driving June 17, please be mindful of the following:

  1. Islamic dress code
  2. There won?t be any gatherings. Go out only to run important errands, visit the hospital, drop kids off at school, etc.
  3. It is encouraged that you videotape the event and upload it on Youtube. Don?t forget to send us the link.
  4. Drive within city limits only.
  5. To reaffirm our patriotism, fly the Saudi flag and lift up a photo of Abu Mit?ib (the King).
  6. No need to be scared. If the police arrest you, you?ll only be required to sign on a pledge.
  7. It is preferred that whoever plans on driving to have an international driver?s license.
  8. It is better if a male accompanies you to protect you and to guarantee your safety (since the ball would just be starting to roll).
  9. Avoid driving into any empty plots or deserted or faraway areas because that might pose some danger to you.
  10. Driving is not scheduled for one day only. We are starting next Friday but will continue to take to our cars beyond that date until a royal decree is issued.
  11. Any woman who fails to comply is responsible for any possible consequences.
  12. Ensure notifying family and friends of your intentions to drive (in case you go missing they?ll have an idea how to act).
  13. If you have a phone with internet connection, follow us on facebook and Twitter WOMEN2DRIVE Have faith in God and hopes that our voice will reach the Custodian of the Two Mosques and that our case will win soon.
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laiyan · 15/06/2011 20:48

Yes, that worries me too, and i really hope that women do this sensibly. Staying to busy, shopping centre type areas where there are a lot of people, and of course driving safely and preferably, not alone. I will cut and paste some advice that Zaki Safar has written about how to do it.

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BooyHoo · 15/06/2011 18:09

added.

what worries me is what will happen to those brave enough to do it.

laiyan · 15/06/2011 18:05

thank you :)

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sunshineandbooks · 14/06/2011 11:23

I was listening to Wajeha Al-Huwaidar on Women's Hour this morning about this. I thought she was very brave and extraordinarily upbeat about the whole thing. Amazing woman!

I'll add my support, definitely.

vesuvia · 14/06/2011 11:11

To deliberately misquote Julian Assange:

"Saudi Arabia is the Saudi Arabia of feminism" (not Sweden).