Mothers, fathers, children and the family heirarchy

"I can only think that I am stupid to come on this thread and the only reason that I don't get backup is that most people keep off it-they have perfectly happy relationships with men and can't be bothered."

I don't understand this point at all. Lots of people on here have said that they have happy relationships with men.

Again, why the assumption that questioning some male behaviour = "I hate men"?

yes, quite right exotic. My view of life has been marred by personal experience.

Personal experience of reading crime statistics about violence against women,
that is

Drat, PrinceHumperdink.
Foiled on the cyborg baby front

I'm sorry sakura, but when you get on to trans women and crime figures that it sheer paranoia.
I can see that you are never going trust a man, because of personal experience ,but the majority of women are going to be fine.

statistically two women are murdered a week by their spouse in the U.K alone
And a fair few men are sexually abusing their daughters too

And it's comparatively very rare for a woman to be murdered by someone she is not in a relationship with, unless she is a prostitute

Statistically very few men murder their partners in UK. You are far more likely to die in a car crash.

Bahahahahahahaha! I'm just laughing at how you're projecting nonsense that you've made up about my life onto me.

Anyway, back to the drawing board.

I am not talking about airy fairy personal feelings here. I'm giving you the facts , the statistical facts about men, marriage and violence against women.

And I disagree sakura-you are projecting your views/experience onto your DD which isn't healthy. She is not you, there is no reason for her to think the same or have the same experiences. She may meet her soulmate and live in harmony until she is 90yrs or so. She won't know if you poison it for her and make her frightened to get emotionally close to a man.

"She could try just being friendly with a man, without any involvement."

Oh this is so funny, if you knew me IRL you'd know how funny this statement was. Prince has met me IRL, she will attest to how funny this is.

are you having trouble digesting the facts I'm giving you exotics that's fair enough , they're a hard pill to swallow, but don't shoot the messanger.

I wish you were right , I wish the world was different and that men didn't murder the women they were living with with such regularity. But they do. ANd statistically this means a woman safer not being married. These are the facts you cannot change with wishful thinking.

Are you telling me that sakura doesn't hate men?

I am just undoing some of the stereotypes that seem to be spouted on here. Men are human beings, the same as women and you can't generalise.
No one seems to point out that sakuras attitude is unhealthy, stopping her from living a full life and may, if her DD lets her, affect her too. No one has suggested couselling. She could try just being friendly with a man, without any involvement.

Prince, I find it more bizzarre that exotic is fixated on me telling my daughter to stay at home... when I've repeatedly said that statistically she is safer on the streets than at home./

My daughter (and I) are safer walking on the streets at night than living with a man. Hard facts bear this out.

So why do you keep going on about staying at home suspicious? There is no need to be "suspicious" about men murdering their wives, that's a fact. It happens twice a week in the U.K alone.

My daughter is safer living alone or walking the streets than getting married, that's all I'm saying.

stoptheclocks
Sorry duh was a bit harsh.. No, the people who get challenged on the feminist topic are those who insist on bringing mainstream views here... as if we haven't heard them before. a million times. every time we turn on the T.V or read a book or a paper.

Feminism is about challengin the mainstream opinion that exoticfruits is espousing.

Or is it only Exocticfruits who gets challenged?

It certainly is!

Mine point is that life is for living, assessing risk and taking it -or you would stay at home, lonely and suspicious. Humans need close relationships to function, I am not talking physical-I mean emotional. It is possible to have a deep emotional relationship with a man, they are not an alien species-they are just people. I haven't chosen to live with a man for life for a baby and a meal ticket! I can do both by myself, I have chosen it because I love him.(I expect that this will be put down to conditioning by the patriarchy!-in which case I don't care as it is far preferable to the alternatives spouted on here)

Even the point that men get attacked in the evening because they are out and women stay at home is rubbish. Go to any university town and both sexes will be out at night-and surprise,surprise, they will be out together in groups of friends. My DSs have girls who are friends, they stay the night with them-quite platonically.

I can't see that I have said anything much to complain about, other than I have not been sympathetic enough to domestic violence.

Sakura's last posts about transsexuals are sheer paranoia, and yet no one will say so and suggest counselling.

I can only think that I am stupid to come on this thread and the only reason that I don't get backup is that most people keep off it-they have perfectly happy relationships with men and can't be bothered.

Unfortunately I am not so sensible and have broken my promise.

'Duh'

Is that aimed at my question?

I thought we were allowed to challenge views on here.

Or is it only Exocticfruits who gets challenged?

My point is that a trans woman is as likely to commit a violent crime as your average man.

IN other words, the chance is much greater than a real woman.

And yet their crimes go down as women's crimes and it pisses me off

there was a case of a trans woman (who still had his penis) mudering his boyfriend attempting rape of a woman.

How many women ( I mean real women) do you know who have attempted to rape a woman with their penis?

And considering there aren't really that many trans women out there (compared to women, who are 50% of the population) why are there so many of them in the news for committing violent crimes? It tells me that a trans woman is statistically more likely to commit a crime than a woman. Just like a man, basically. Because a trans woman is a man. Duh

'A lot of trans women commit violent crimes'

I didn't know that. Is that a well known fact?

I also think people should be aware of the fact that the UK government has made it law for any man who "feels like a woman" to have the M scrapped and changed to an F (meaning female) on his birth certificate... even if he still has his penis.

Seeing as a lot of trans women commit violent crimes (and I actually thinks this is connected to their general fragility and state of madness and need for psychological help) what this means is that their crime will be logged on police records as being a woman who committed it. They will be put in a woman's prison and the crime statistics will show that females are committing more crimes. When actually it's just men in dresses.

I make the point because some people like exoticfruits are very keen to point out that "women commit crimes too" and it's very aggravating when actually men's crimes are being counted as women's

One of the reasons that young men are more likely to be attacked in the evenings, is because they are more likely to be out and about either alone or in an aggressive group. Women are actually less likely to be on the street and so they are naturally, less likely to be attacked. They tend to get a taxi, where a man will walk or use public transport. When they are in groups, lots of men get into fights with other men and that is factored into the fgures, Where women get attacked, it isn't because they've been threatening attack themselves. So I think you need to be a bit more aware of the story behind the figures.

Also, AFAIK, when they count "violent crimes" they miss out rape and sexual assault. For some reason, they don't categorise them as violent crime. So if you put those crimes back in, the figures look a little different.

exotic I think you're going to have to agree to disagree with everyone else on this thread.

You have not taken discussed any of the evidence presented by other posters, nor have you provided any empirical evidence or indeed any form of evidence to support your opinions (other than those of your own personal experience, which are hardly representative of the norm).

Where you have been provided with irrefutable evidence your response has been to either repeat yourself over and over or to create straw arguments.

Who on earth said we were letting fear of men hold us back from living our lives? Don't lay that comment at Sakura's feet. She's equipping her DD with the skills and knowledge that means her DD won't have to live a life ruled by fear.

I sincerely hope that none of your female relatives are ever let down by a man because it is clear that you will hold them responsible for it and offer no sympathy whatsoever.

I should just enjoy living-life is a risk and an adventure-don't let fear hold you back.
It really is my last post-promise

unless she lived alone, of course, then she would be safer at home :)