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"Fear" of men

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ComradeJing · 10/06/2011 02:38

I have a question that relates to two recent threads so apologies for thread about a thread.

Allhailtheaubergine (hope you don't mind - it's your thread I'm referring to) said that she was worried when she walked on the beach and when a man came between her and her exit she became nervous.

Another poster in AIBU said she was unhappy about a male nursery worker taking her daughter to the bathroom.

The OP in AIBU was completely torn to bits over this. Allhail was given support and most people (including myself though I didn't post) agreed that they would have felt scared and validated her response.

Now my question is why is one response valid and rational and the other one not? Is it because one is a person in a job and the other could be "anybody?" I would imagine you're more likely to be attacked by someone in a job (ie taxi driver, gas man, builder or someone else you would invite into your home) than just some stranger off the street but I could well be wrong.

I suppose I was thinking that if one is a feminist issue then the other one must be too as they are both about a fear of men and what men can do to women.

OP posts:
madwomanintheattic · 10/06/2011 04:29

oh, thank fuck for a voice of reason olkn. i typed about four pages of venom and then deleted most of it for fear of myself.

madwomanintheattic · 10/06/2011 04:27

i've had loads of male doctors peering at my fanjo without a chaperone.

if the girl was at all concerned, it will be because her mother grills her to within an inch of her life every day about who wiped her bottom.

way to give a child a complex.

i'm interested that feminists are suddenly afraid of all men though. even the angry ones. i'm used to a more empowered demographic.

it's really making me question my credentials. or is it just rad fems that are afraid of men? liberals are still ok because they are handmaidens?

important to check these things.

apologies for being flippant, but i'm bloody angry that the entirety of mn is apparently living in terror of any passing penis owner.

even a very limited grasp of statistics would suggest that this is some sort of conspiracy to keep women in low paid childcare jobs and persuaded they are weak and endangered.

bollocks to that.

don't be afraid, ffs. step up.

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 10/06/2011 04:24
OldLadyKnowsNothing · 10/06/2011 04:24

sakura, you do know there are female sexual predators/child abusers/paedophiles too, don't you? I am astounded to see such sexist crap spouted in the feminist dection, of all places.

SlobbyBOB · 10/06/2011 04:03

ComradeJing

Would it be a feminist issue if you replace the man on the beach with a large dog ?. The OP may also have felt fear from that too.

Sakura

The answer is you can't, I dunno if they fall under a soical profile or not, which in itself can be dangerous. look at the guy who was accused of the the girl from Bristol's murder before Christmas. He looked odd so he must be guilty.

I agree on yout point on who the girl felt in the situation. Indeed AFAIK look at other male female adult encounters. Doctor Teacher etc and a male will not be alone in those situations.

sakura · 10/06/2011 03:39

You're right OP. It's like the rape myth that a rapist is a stranger, when really it's more likely to be your husband, boyfriend or someone you know.

If a man was a paedophile then naturally certain types of professions will attract him (catholic priest, for example)

To me, the issue is the little girl. How does she feel about having a man who is not her father in the toilet with her? Well.... about the same as you or I would feel about it, I should imagine. More than a little uncomfortable.

Yes yes I know I know, we have to trust men and bla bla, but lets be honest they don't have a good track record do they. So if someone doesn't want a man taking her daughter to the toilet she is not being unreasonable or hysterical ... she is generally worried based on the way that men behave in general. THere's not a booming kiddie porn industry out there for nothing. who is watching all that kiddie porn>? Not women I'M certain. It's men. ANd not just a few men either.. for the industry to be so enormous it must be quite a lot of men.

So how on earth do you know which men are secretly watching it and which men aren't?

Now, I'M not saying you have to presume that men are all dodgy, but I would really like an answer to the above question.

expatinscotland · 10/06/2011 02:41

Are they, though, really?

One OP is a grown woman. The other is posting on behalf of a child.