"Fear" of men

two very different artists. one concentrating on the animalistic, reducing identity to genitalia (interesting given that one of his favourite models was trans - fascinating), and a completely different 'less real' style. less gruesomely, in your face 'real', and more fantasy, but not necessarily in a wanktastic fashion tbh. i see more symbolism and imagery, crucifixion and early biblical type stuff, and emaciation (some of the more emaciated pics are atually quite close to freud though in terms of their insistence on reality - sagging breasts, paunches and wrinkles). the size of the models protrayed in both artists work is interesting. freud preferring larger than life to emphasise his point, and moore preferring the opposite end of the spectrum to emphasise his. nothing right or worng in either - two completely different artists and styles.

i don't see the ropes as bdsm either, sorry. more symbolic of 'ties' and freedom. although i'm slightly freaked out by the dangling feet everywhere... love the confetti one though. interesting to compare to freud's bride and bridegroom. totally different. but the moore looking over the shoulder one is easily as depressing as the disappearing bride in freud.

def not an art critic though. as moore himself said, it's up to the voyeur to see what they want to in his art work - death of the artist indeed. it's interesting to hear what mners see. i'm guessing the same pic would inspire different thoughts in lots of people.

Not really - I see different things in these images than you do - women naked but with steel in their eyes, the contrast of a seemingly fragile pose and aspect next to someting physically hard - when I see his images where there is a rope for example , the nudity makes the rope actually feel rough to me where it wouldn't if it were a picture of a rope. In fact real people under subdued light look much more like Neil's work and much less like the exaggerated lumps that Freud produces. I think you are equating rough, ugly overweight nudes with 'real' and more slender, beautiful wistful uimages as false. I happen to be quite slender, don't have massive fleshy bulging lumps nor irregular patches of redness that Freud seems to depict, I don't think that makes me irrelevant as a human being (Less 'real'). I think you miss the rationale completely because of your prejudice, and I think this is quite sad.

I'm a female artist, and I've painted the naked male form, so I wonder what that makes me.

But who decides? You? I must admit I don't understand your version of feminism. A man sneezes, to me it is a sneeze, to you it seems that it is an expression of the superior force a man can exert and a re-expression of the overarching male hegemony.

Who's to say that Freud's wank fantasies aren't the fat woman next door showing him her genitals, and the old guy spreading his legs for a clothed artist?

I think you have heard of Freud so are less frightened of him, but a man you have never heard of must only be a f**king pervert.

You are warped woman, not a contemporary feminist! I personally think being 'convential' - looking as a women need not subtract from strength, you eviudently think strength is directly proportional to ugliness or being overweight, that just isn't true at all, that is just bullying by fat women, which is something I had all through school and something I don't want to see lauded in adulthood as something of virtue.

Hi Dittany, you are obviously trying to insult my friend and I for the purposes of causing an argument. Not sure why, perhaps your counsellor would have an answer, you do have a counsellor, right?

Lucian Freud's work is far more gentally obsessed and legs spread than Neil's. I still think you are being mental, either 'for fun' or for another more twisted reason. I don't think you are being honest at all.

...certainposter would...

This thread is so fucking sad.

From reading this a certain would top many profiles with regard to likelihood to offend as they seem to have a lot of trouble differentiating between reality and fantasy.

Worrying

That is by Lucian Freud - the painter commissioned by the Queen...

Only pubic hair and maybe the labia, not anything like <a class="break-all" href="http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=cdn.radionetherlands.nl/data/files/images/Naked%2520Portrait%2520in%2520a%2520Red%2520chair,%25201999_1.jpg&imgrefurl=www3.rnw.nl/english/article/bailiffs-carry-dsb-art-collection&usg=__k0HN90OVzVopuaAXRV4UBiA2VsM=&h=2630&w=1882&sz=788&hl=en&start=109&zoom=1&tbnid=8jJ_AmltqQlMVM:&tbnh=180&tbnw=124&ei=TiP3TbOhAoS7hAesrJSdCw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dlucian%2Bfreud%2Bnudes%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1285%26bih%3D551%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=344&page=6&ndsp=16&ved=1t:429,r:12,s:109&tx=87&ty=104" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">this:

madwoman have you seen 'witness' that is one of my faves. And Dittany I can't actually see any vulvas in his pictures, are you imagining more than you actually see?

Oh right dittany (shouldn't that be litany?) These are'soft porn BDSM'. what is BDSM about standing outside, sitting on a lover's back, standing up naked, looking out of a window. Honestly you are cracked.

The nursery worker I have np problem with .

But I do admit there has been a few times when I have felt more vunerable when in the 2nd sitaution especially if was late at night .

.My friend is the sort people would cross the street to advoid at night .But he is one of the most gentle people you could meet and is likely to offer to walk you home not becuase is planning on dragging you in a dark corner but becuase he is just worried about someone walking home alone .

oo, i quite like that 'the happiest day of your life'...

Perhaps this strong woman is more your thing?

Oh honestly, you are talking crap - these women are not sexualised, I don't see anything sexual in any of them!

I'm sorry but on this, you are just being mental. I don't see nudity as equalling sex! You must have a hell of a time in the changing rooms

What are you talking about, I think you have gone mental. Are you drinking perhaps?

Oh yes and by the way the article was hints from women about how to do it, not guffawing max power readers or whatever.