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If I used breast imagery in a pictorial political satire i.e. David Cameron’s face looks like a tit, is it unacceptable and like the use of breast imagery in a lads mag?

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Motherfunster · 04/06/2011 00:33

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Motherfunster · 06/06/2011 11:41

Id like to add that when I was pregnant with my first child the father insisted that I did not swear of tell dirty jokes while I in that condition. When I told this to my family they had a marathon dirty joke telling spree, some of them that could be considered very sexist, but it was in solidarity born from outrage at extreme sexist attitude shown by the father in attempting to censor me in this way.

Im very proud of my famly for being like this.

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Motherfunster · 06/06/2011 11:24

We need to distinguish what is vulgar and what is sexist Riveninside, depending on your political leaning that can be very objective.

When I go back to see my family, the women who are of my age will use the term ?tits? as in ?jesuz did ya see her with her tits hanging out..? it is part of part of the lexicon. I am not shocked by it nor find it offensive it is the language of my culture. As an experiment I will attempt to tell them they are oppressing them self?s by using it.

The replies may be rather short I imagine.

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Motherfunster · 06/06/2011 10:50

@Slug, snort big time!Worth nicking.

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Motherfunster · 06/06/2011 10:48

Which words we talking about?

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slug · 06/06/2011 10:48

David Cameron lookl like this

Riveninside · 06/06/2011 10:38

Its easy to swear without using an attritbute from an oppressed group as an insult.

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Motherfunster · 06/06/2011 10:32

Hands up Im vulgar.Thats who I am.

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Motherfunster · 06/06/2011 10:31

You dont swear then? Is it the use of the word tits?

"Tit is a very old variant of the word teat, meaning nipple. Its usage for the human breast is also old, but is considered vulgar.

Humor (fiction): It may have also come from the inventor of the bra, who's last name was Titzling. The connection between his name, and the bra being a type of sling for ones breast. So, people called the bra a tit sling, hence the word tit originated.

Read more: wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_did_the_word_tits_originate#ixzz1OOOI2Qf0"

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Riveninside · 06/06/2011 10:24

Whats a working class background got to do with anything? Im from a council estate and manage not to use sexist or whatever 'ist' language.

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Motherfunster · 06/06/2011 10:22

@InmaculadaConcepcion Smile

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Motherfunster · 06/06/2011 10:19

AliceWhirled, its how I speak in real life, I?m from a working class background.
I prefer to walk the walk. I leave the talk to others.

This write up from yesterday hits the nail on the head.

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jun/05/children-sexuality-naipaul-kate-moss

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InmaculadaConcepcion · 04/06/2011 20:40

I don't think I'll ever be able to look at my milk-swollen breast in quite the same way again.

AliceWhirled · 04/06/2011 20:15

I'm really struggling how you can't do all this without using sexist language? This is the missing bit of the puzzle for me.

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Motherfunster · 04/06/2011 20:05

Soz husband died 78

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Motherfunster · 04/06/2011 19:54

welcome to my world

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Motherfunster · 04/06/2011 19:53

Mary Darly was rude and controversial; she was pro America/French rev and john Wilkes. In American she is held in the museum of congress and exhibited along side Hogarth etc. She is not recognized in this country, she is called a 'print seller' in the cartoon museum in london. Even after the death of her husband in 89, and her name is written on the bottom of the cartoon, they are still attributed to her work to her husband in the UK.

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Motherfunster · 04/06/2011 19:13

BTW any help with research pointers gratefully received

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Motherfunster · 04/06/2011 19:10

I am currently researching female political cartoonists and have found contemporaries of Hogarth and gillray, they fucken wrote us out. See (posted earler) blog.seattlepi.com/bookpatrol/2010/03/11/the-mother-of-pictorial-satire-or-why-did-yankee-doodle-call-his-hat-macaroni/
I have had cartoon historians tell me to my face there has never been any.
Allot of the time women used nicknames after the 18th century, only came back when the sufferjets political artists got bizzy.They are not called political artists in the books ,they are called sufferjet propagandists. Bollox no?

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Motherfunster · 04/06/2011 18:59

I have been accused of sleeping with people to get my self along, and also merely a product of positive discrimination.

I can do the job, I have proved that.

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Motherfunster · 04/06/2011 18:48

Dittany I have been one of the first women to of officially to have broken a completely male dominated medium in the UK, it?s taken 10 years of some of the most awful sexist abuse off other male political cartoonists. Will you deny me my self expression as an artist and my achievement as a woman?

Will you suport me when they try to silence me as a women in a male only environment?

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Motherfunster · 04/06/2011 18:29

@Dittany re Kate,Shes just so cool, she also suports what I do and thinks it hilarious.I was actualy breast feeding when I looked down and realised my milk swolen breast looked like DC.

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