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Bugger, I have indirectly supported a 'Christian abortion counselling service'

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ChinnyReckon · 01/06/2011 21:10

I feel conflicted and uneasy. Backstory; like other people, things are a bit tight for us at the moment. However me and DH are good at budgeting for food and bills etc and if things ever got really bad, we have family who could help us out a bit. I feel worried, though, about people who arent as fortunate as us and who are really struggling at the moment to support themselves.

So I looked online to see if I could donate food locally and I found somewhere and arranged to do this. But now I have had a proper look, I can see that apart from food donation, their other projects are pregnancy crisis counselling/Christian abortion counselling. I feel like a hypocrite. I am pro choice and I am not comfortable with 'pregnancy crisis counselling' as I feel like it misrepresents what is obviously an anti abortion stance. I feel that it tricks women into making decisions that are not neccessarily in their best interests.

I felt like I needed to write that down but given all the abortion threads recently, I feel it's better here. Do I just withdraw the offer of regular donations because I feel so uneasy or just think of the people it will help?

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hurricanewyn · 04/06/2011 13:37

I appreciate that. I don't think any child should be brought into the world unless he/she is 100% wanted and loved. No woman should ever have to go through pregnancy and motherhood unless she is absolutely certain it's the right choice for her. I'm not pro life.
But...If I was absolutely desperate and had no food to feed the DCs then I'd take what they offer. Even if their politics made me uncomfortable.

I just wanted to point out while the organisation might be pro life the people on the receiving end might not be.

AliceWhirled · 04/06/2011 13:36

Crapola - yes please

CrapolaDeVille · 04/06/2011 13:33

SQ...I like that thinking.

SardineQueen · 04/06/2011 13:32

Without access to abortion there would be a lot more hungry DCs around the place.

Just a thought.

hurricanewyn · 04/06/2011 13:27

The charity Life is a Christian abortion counselling service, but they also do a lot of fab community work, life providing food parcels, baby equipment, clothes or even housing to those in need.
They are more pro life than other charities, but are not judgmental and do have a lot to offer aside from this.

If you can find another service to offer food donations, and your conscience is eased then perhaps use them. But they offer such an important lifeline to those that use them. I can't ever imagine having literally nothing to feed the DCs, but if I was in that position I would take the food from wherever it came from regardless of my personal views of their politics etc just to make sue they don't go hungry. I imagine the service users are the same, if that helps???

ohboob · 04/06/2011 13:13

Wow, you learn something new every day! I genuinely had no idea about that.

CrapolaDeVille · 04/06/2011 13:12

Phew....I was worried I wasn't right. Perhaps I should start a thread about organisations that support anti women groups??

SardineQueen · 04/06/2011 13:05

Crikey, thanks crapola!

CrapolaDeVille · 04/06/2011 13:00

Tom Monaghan, CEO, is anti-abortion. More evidence has surfaced to verify that. He is on the board of directors of Franciscan University of Steubenville. The Dominos Foundation gave $195,888 to Franciscan Univ. and $15,000 to
the Human Life Center of Franciscan Univ. Franciscan U. as the only place in the country where it's possible to get a minor in "pro-life activities". www.holysmoke.org/fem/fem0418.htm

CrapolaDeVille · 04/06/2011 12:58

SQ....I will search it out, but I remember that they support a pro life from being a student...I will now have to search!

SardineQueen · 04/06/2011 12:21

Are they a privately owned organisation? Do you have a link or something?

SardineQueen · 04/06/2011 12:20

Dominos are pro life? Really?

SardineQueen · 04/06/2011 12:20

Giving charitably isn't just about money. Giving time, food, clothing, equipment, there are loads of ways of giving charitably. And if you donate anything to an organisation you are supporting them, your donations assist them to continue and help to make them look like a going concern.

Obvious, innit.

CrapolaDeVille · 04/06/2011 12:15

We never eat Dominos pizza because they are pro life!!

LuckyMrsT · 03/06/2011 17:59

Elephants - she didn't support them financially she gave some food to be distributed. Unless they plan to sell it... Hmm On what basis do you suggest that they're somehow only doing good works as a whitewash? And OP why do you think they're out to 'trick' women into continuing with their unplanned pregnancies? Conspiricy theorists the pair of you!

TrillianAstra · 03/06/2011 17:24

I would call them up and ask their stance. Listen to how they say it, not just what they say.

I think you are right to be uncomfortable about supporting a charity if you fundamentally disagree with part of what they do, even if your contribution was towards a different area.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 03/06/2011 17:23

"because you don't agree with them on one issue doesn't mean you shouldn't help them with their good work for the needy."

I know what you mean but don't agree - if an organisation uses their "good work" as a whitewash for other aspects of their work that are more controversial, your donations etc are helping them to look better.

SardineQueen · 03/06/2011 17:14

I couldn't support an organisation if a different arm was doing something I disagreed with, personally.

LuckyMrsT · 03/06/2011 16:53

You need to be more open minded! Just because you don't agree with them on one issue doesn't mean you shouldn't help them with their good work for the needy. Also it's a good thing to have services representing both viewpoints, a lot of people regret terminations and might have been helped by some good advice from the 'other side'. I could argue that the services you seem to approve of just tick a few boxes before booking you in at the clinic. That's not necessarily helping women to make decisions in their best interests either.

SardineQueen · 03/06/2011 15:53

Do they have a website - that might give clues as to whether their councelling service is neutral or not?

I have a suspicion that some organisations that are actually anti-abortion masquerade as neutral in order to get their funding / not get angry people going on at then etc... But maybe I am cynical too?

garlicbutter · 03/06/2011 12:11

Chinny, how did you get along with this?

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 02/06/2011 12:37

I can completely see why you don't feel comfortable with it - you are giving something away (doesn't matter how much) and you want to make sure you are supporting something good and worthwhile. Why don't you look around and see if there are other places you could donate to instead? For instance, lots of towns have shelters for women fleeing DV and they usually need decent food/toiletries for people who turn up with nothing. There might be a local Salvation Army (though I have no idea on their stance on abortion) too, or other charity that helps homeless people, or a hostel.

garlicbutter · 01/06/2011 22:08

If I were in your position, I'd ring 'em up and ask ever so nicely about this service. I'd withdraw my support if I disliked the tenor of their reply. I have withdrawn quite significant support, in the past, from charities that turned out to be pushing an agenda that made me uncomfortable. They do unquestionably good work, but there are other outfits that do comparable good without pressing their beliefs on recipients.

BooBooGlass · 01/06/2011 21:50

I am pro choice, but tbh I think giving post abortion cunselling stats isn;t that terrible a thing. I wish more people were offered it. I know if I ever had one I'd need counselling afterwards, but I'm that kind of person. I had counselling throughout and after my unplanned pregnancy too. I see no difference. An unplanned pregnancy requires the mother to be supported, whatever her decision.

ChinnyReckon · 01/06/2011 21:48

Grin I know it's only a bit of food and not millions but in my mind I made a long term commitment to doing it so don't want to go back on what i've commited to.

Thanks for sharing your experience, Boo. Maybe I should not be so cynical. Their website does give abortion stats and refers to x amount of women in post abortion counselling etc. I dunno. Maybe I should just not overthink things so much.

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